Uniform Probability over Real Line?

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The problem involves a two-ended laser spinner mounted on a pin, projecting onto a linear scale marked with negative and positive values. The angle made by the laser with the perpendicular to the wall is uniformly distributed, and the task is to find the probability density function (PDF) of the point where the laser lands on the scale.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the PDF of Y based on the uniform distribution of angle X and the geometry of the situation, questioning the existence of the PDF. Another participant suggests using the tangent function to relate Y and X, prompting a reevaluation of the approach. Subsequent posts explore the transformation of variables and the resulting PDF.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring different mathematical transformations and questioning the simplicity of the derived PDF. There is a mix of uncertainty and confirmation regarding the correctness of the derived expressions, with some participants expressing appreciation for the assistance received.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note challenges with trigonometric concepts and the clarity of the transformation process. The original poster expresses concern about the rigor of their steps, indicating a potential lack of confidence in their approach.

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Homework Statement



Consider a two-ended laser spinner; that is a pen-like laser acting as the arrow mounted on a pin at the center of a spinner. Suppose the center of the disk is one meter away from a wall of infinite extent marked with a linear scale, with zero at the point closest the center of the spinner and negative numbers to left, positive to the right.

The laser is spun and comes to a rest projecting for one of its ends at a point Y on the
scale (with probability zero the laser will stop parallel to the wall and miss it; we ignore
that possibility). Suppose that the angle X the laser makes to the perpendicular to the
wall is uniformly distributed over –π/2 to π/2. Find the probability density of Y.

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The Attempt at a Solution



The angle at which the laser lands must have PDF f_X(x)=1/{\pi}

That is, it is the uniform distribution over pi radians.

Next, I set up a right triangle and find that the angle opposite the the 1 meter side is equal to {\pi}/2-X and that the angle opposite the base (call it B) is simply X (given by the PDF above). Using the law of sines (and that the distance from the "infinite wall" to the spinner is 1 meter) to find:

B=sinx/sin({\pi}/2-X)

It seems clear to me that Y is then the uniform distribution over lim B as x->{\pi}/2 + - (lim B as x->-{\pi}/2)

This is the entire real number line and so the PDF of Y does not exist.

Is this right (even if my steps are less than rigorous)? Any help would be appreciated.
 
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Let the origin of the Y axis along the wall be the foot of the 1 meter perpendicular side. Then for a point Y on that axis you have ##\frac Y 1 =\tan X##. Try starting with that.
 
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So much simpler! My trig is too rusty.

Ok, so then I find that g(Y)=arctan(Y) and, after taking the derivative, I make the transformation assuming the uniform distribution described before for X.

I get f_Y(y)=1/{\pi}(1+y^2)

Is it that simple? Thanks!
 
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gajohnson said:
So much simpler! My trig is too rusty.

Ok, so then I find that g(Y)=arctan(Y) and, after taking the derivative, I make the transformation assuming the uniform distribution described before for X.

I get f_Y(y)=1/{\pi}(1+y^2)

Is it that simple? Thanks!

Confirmed this elsewhere. It is indeed that simple. Appreciate your help!
 
gajohnson said:
Confirmed this elsewhere. It is indeed that simple. Appreciate your help!

Yes, it is. Sorry I couldn't get back to you yesterday. Too busy.
 

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