Unraveling the Mystery of the Expanding Universe

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The discussion addresses the question of why Earth and other planets are not moving away from the Sun despite the universe's expansion. It highlights that the expansion of the universe primarily affects distances between galaxies rather than within gravitationally bound systems like solar systems. Recent studies suggest that the Astronomical Unit (AU) is increasing at a rate of about 15 meters per century, but this is considered too small to relate to the Hubble expansion. The concept of "pennies on an expanding balloon" is referenced to illustrate the dynamics of gravitationally bound systems. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the complexities of cosmic expansion and its limited impact on local gravitational interactions.
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I know it's been proven beyond all doubt that the universe is expanding but one thing is bugging me. Why isn't the Earth (and the other planets for that matter) moving away from the sun due to this expansion? Maybe this is a daft question but I can't think of an answer. Can somebody please explain?
 
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newtron said:
I know it's been proven beyond all doubt that the universe is expanding but one thing is bugging me. Why isn't the Earth (and the other planets for that matter) moving away from the sun due to this expansion?

They don't because that's what General Relativity says (more or less). :smile:

OK, that was a joke. Seriously, it has been discovered not so many years ago
that the Astronomical Unit (AU) is increasing, so at least the Earth's distance from
the Sun is increasing secularly at this epoch. See

G.A. Krasinsky and V.A. Brumberg, Celestial Mechanics & Dynamical Astronomy 90, 287 (2004).

It must be stressed that the result reported here (an increase of the AU of about 15 m per century)
is indirect, inasmuch as this increase is inferred from an analysis of radiometric measurements of distances between the Earth and the major planets. So while it seems that the reported increase
of the AU is far too small to have anything to do with the Hubble expansion, it is possible that this
discrepancy can be blamed on incorrect theory-dependent assumptions made when analyzing the data.
 
What expands?

newtron said:
Why isn't the Earth (and the other planets for that matter) moving away from the sun due to this expansion? Maybe this is a daft question but I can't think of an answer. Can somebody please explain?

It's a good question, and somebody has. See [thread=153958]this PF thread[/thread] and references therein.

The keyword is "pennies on an expanding balloon", but at a higher level of approximation, clearly we should model gravitationally bound solar systems and galaxies in a more sophisticated way than as rigid pennies. For advanced students, some relevant arxiv eprints are
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0102103, http://www.arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0609271, http://www.arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0605611, and (often cited!) http://www.arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0310808
 
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Thanks for pointing me in the direction of some answers. Very interesting stuff.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recombination_(cosmology) Was a matter density right after the decoupling low enough to consider the vacuum as the actual vacuum, and not the medium through which the light propagates with the speed lower than ##({\epsilon_0\mu_0})^{-1/2}##? I'm asking this in context of the calculation of the observable universe radius, where the time integral of the inverse of the scale factor is multiplied by the constant speed of light ##c##.
Why was the Hubble constant assumed to be decreasing and slowing down (decelerating) the expansion rate of the Universe, while at the same time Dark Energy is presumably accelerating the expansion? And to thicken the plot. recent news from NASA indicates that the Hubble constant is now increasing. Can you clarify this enigma? Also., if the Hubble constant eventually decreases, why is there a lower limit to its value?
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