Unstable equilibrium, centre of mass problem

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The discussion revolves around calculating the distance from the left end of a board to its support point when two masses are placed on it, achieving an unstable equilibrium. The masses A (12 kg) and B (16 kg) are positioned on a 20 kg board, which was initially overlooked in calculations. The correct approach involves including the board's mass in the center of mass formula, leading to a revised calculation of 3.25 m for the distance x. Participants clarify that the board's mass affects the overall center of mass due to its homogeneous distribution. Understanding unstable equilibrium is crucial, as any external force can significantly impact the system's stability.
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Homework Statement


Two masses, A and B, are placed on the edges of a mass of 20 kg which is homogeneously distributed figure such that an unstable equilibrium is achieved. If the mass of A is 12 kg and the mass of B 16 kg, how large is the distance x from the left end of the board to the support point? A) 3 m B) 3.25 m C) 3.4 m D) 3.75 m E) 4 m

Homework Equations


Centre of mass = m1(x1) + (m2)(x2)/(m1 + m2)

The Attempt at a Solution


I attempted this problem but got it wrong, mostly because I don't know what an unstable equilibrium is. I looked it up and it appears to me that any external force that acts on a system with an unstable equilibrium will gravely affect the system. Is this correct? I just went about finding the centre of mass of the system, by doing 12(0) + (16)(6) / (12 + 16) = 3.43 m. So, that was my answer, but it is wrong. I also never used the mass of the board, by I had assumed that since the mass was homogeneously distributed that it wouldn't affect the centre of mass.
 
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Kennedy said:

Homework Statement


Two masses, A and B, are placed on the edges of a mass of 20 kg which is homogeneously distributed figure such that an unstable equilibrium is achieved. If the mass of A is 12 kg and the mass of B 16 kg, how large is the distance x from the left end of the board to the support point? A) 3 m B) 3.25 m C) 3.4 m D) 3.75 m E) 4 m

Homework Equations


Centre of mass = m1(x1) + (m2)(x2)/(m1 + m2)

The Attempt at a Solution


I attempted this problem but got it wrong, mostly because I don't know what an unstable equilibrium is. I looked it up and it appears to me that any external force that acts on a system with an unstable equilibrium will gravely affect the system. Is this correct? I just went about finding the centre of mass of the system, by doing 12(0) + (16)(6) / (12 + 16) = 3.43 m. So, that was my answer, but it is wrong. I also never used the mass of the board, by I had assumed that since the mass was homogeneously distributed that it wouldn't affect the centre of mass.

Perhaps best not to assume that. Put the 20kg mass into the calculations - it can't do any harm!
 
PeroK said:
Perhaps best not to assume that. Put the 20kg mass into the calculations - it can't do any harm!
How would I add it into the calculations? I know its mass is 20 kg, but how do I figure out where the mass is acting?
 
Kennedy said:
How would I add it into the calculations? I know its mass is 20 kg, but how do I figure out where the mass is acting?

It's homogeneous, so it COM must be in the middle, surely?
 
PeroK said:
It's homogeneous, so it COM must be in the middle, surely?
You are one hundred percent right! 0(12) + 16(6) + (20)(3) / (20 + 12 +16) = 3.25 m. Thank you. I never thought of adding that in, but I knew that its centre of mass was in the middle.
 
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