Unveiling the Math Behind Potential Well Boundaries

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical concepts related to potential well boundaries in quantum mechanics. Participants explore the conditions under which boundaries are defined, the treatment of discontinuities, and the implications for wave functions within potential wells. The conversation touches on theoretical frameworks, including convergence theorems and Hilbert spaces, as well as practical considerations in quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the rationale behind using different boundary conditions for potential wells, specifically why some boundaries are defined as greater than or less than certain values while others are not.
  • Another participant compares the treatment of potential wells to the behavior of functions, noting that certain mathematical properties, such as continuity and discontinuity, must be considered at boundaries.
  • A participant suggests that a finite depth potential well can be approximated by a "particle in a box" model as the well depth increases, implying that this approach avoids issues with discontinuities.
  • There is a discussion about the behavior of wave functions as they approach boundaries, particularly regarding the omission of certain terms in the mathematical representation of wave functions when considering limits.
  • One participant raises a question about the continuity of wave functions at the boundary, specifically whether boundary conditions can be applied at a point where the potential changes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of boundaries and discontinuities in potential wells, indicating that multiple competing perspectives exist without a clear consensus on the best approach.

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Some limitations in the discussion include assumptions about the continuity of wave functions, the treatment of discontinuities, and the mathematical rigor applied to boundary conditions. These aspects remain unresolved and are subject to interpretation.

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Confused about boundaries
Hello there. I want to understand the mathematical idea behind boundaries that we write for a potential well. Why we use equally greater and smaller than let's say x between -4a and -2a but we only write x is less than -4a ? How to approach this idea with convergence theorem or Hilbert space? Thank you all and please be safe.
 
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Hello DD, :welcome: !

DrinkanDerive said:
the mathematical idea
No different than when studying functions.
E.g. ##\tan(x)## exists for all ##x## in ## -{\pi\over 2} < x < {\pi\over 2}## but not for all ##x## in ## -{\pi\over 2} < x \le {\pi\over 2}##

QM potential well is two discontinuities that have to be treated separately. Usually we require the wave function and its derivative to be continuous, but at the discontinuity the second derivative is discontinuous.

Physicists are notoriously casual with such things, because they are idealizations of continuous phenomena.

We also don't bother to assign a potential value at the discontinuities themselves: the outcome of the analysis doesn't change.

Disclaimer: I'm an experimental physicist -- perhaps a theoretician or a mathematician can improve :cool: or even correct :nb) my reply.
 
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The problem with a finite depth potential well has the "particle in box" system as its limit when the well depth increases without bound. So you can approximate it as accurately as you want without discontinuity even in the first derivative of ##\psi##, by constructing a finite potential well and setting some large number as the depth.
 
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A beam comes from - \infty to 0 and we have u(x) = e^(kx) + R e^(-kx) ; x<0. Why we omit the potential barrier when it comes to write the boundary. After the first term reaches in the box or well we write 0\geq x \leq 2a. When we take the limit when x goes to infinity shouldn't we omit the e^(kx) term? If we say x \leq 0 can't we write u_{1} |_{x=0} = u_{2}|_{x=0} ? Thank you for the answers! :)
 

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