Upgrading Windows before Logging on to the Web

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The discussion revolves around how Windows can install upgrades before a user connects to the internet, exploring the mechanisms behind pre-installed operating systems and updates. Participants touch on the implications of factory images, background updates, and the impact of pre-installed operating systems on purchasing decisions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the base OS on a machine may include later upgrades added by the manufacturer, allowing the system to be current without needing an internet connection at the time of setup.
  • Others suggest that there are "time-unlocked" upgrades, implying that certain updates may be available initially while others, particularly security patches, must be downloaded later.
  • A participant clarifies that computers built at different times may have different OS versions and patches included in their factory images, which are ready to install once the OS is configured.
  • Another viewpoint indicates that Windows often downloads updates in the background, with some updates being installed immediately, some at shutdown, and others waiting until the next startup.
  • Concerns are raised about the prevalence of pre-installed operating systems, with some participants noting that this practice can lead to additional costs for users who prefer alternative operating systems like Linux.
  • A later reply mentions that some vendors offer computers with Linux pre-installed, highlighting a potential market shift but also noting historical pricing issues related to Linux PCs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of OS updates and the implications of factory images. There is no consensus on the specifics of how upgrades are managed before internet connectivity is established, and multiple competing explanations are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the timing and nature of updates, as well as the definitions of factory images and pre-installed software, remain unresolved. The discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with these concepts among participants.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring the technical aspects of operating system installations, updates, and the implications of pre-installed software on computer purchases.

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Hi All,
Just curious, how can Windows install upgrades before I set up a web connection? How are the upgrades uploaded to my PC?
 
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Its possible that the base OS loaded on your machine had later upgrades which the manufacturer added to the base distribution. In this way, they can remain current without going through an actual install and let you do the work when you unbox the machine.
 
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jedishrfu said:
Its possible that the base OS loaded on your machine had later upgrades which the manufacturer added to the base distribution. In this way, they can remain current without going through an actual install and let you do the work when you unbox the machine.
I see, so these are " time-unlocked" upgrades? Still, I assume there will be some point at which these run out and it is necessary for the upgrades to be uploaded. Or maybe some are unlocked and others , e.g., containing security patch ups, must be uploaded, since I doubt all possible vulnerabilities can be predicted.
 
What?

No, computers built in January have OS 9.9 but then in March MS released some patches and so they are added to the OS image copied to the March built computers and so on.

So when you unbox and start the install process they are ready to be installed after the OS is configured.
 
But I bought mine in January 2015, with 8.1 .
 
WWGD said:
But I bought mine in January 2015, with 8.1 .
Windows 8.1 was released in October 2013, it is likely the factory image included updates to the OS from late 2014.
 
OK, sorry for my dumbness here @jedishrfu , the whole factory Image copy thing is new to me ( I am still clueless about it), it threw me of, did not know it was available before 9.9 OS.
 
There is another possible explanation . Windows often downloads updates in background mode . Some of these upgrades are installed immediately , some get installed at shut down and some sit there until the next time that you start up the computer .
 
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The factory image thing is how MS got its OS everywhere so pervasively. It cut out all other possible OS installs. You can’t buy a computer today without a preinstalled OS which means each vendor charges an extra $50 or so for something you don’t need if you plan to go Linux and there’s nothing you can do about it unless if you decide to build your own computer.
 
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jedishrfu said:
You can’t buy a computer today without a preinstalled OS which means each vendor charges an extra $50 or so for something you don’t need if you plan to go Linux and there’s nothing you can do about it unless if you decide to build your own computer.

There are a number of vendors that will sell you a computer with Linux pre-installed. I was going to come here and say that it is not worth it because in the past you paid more for the Linux PC because the vendors can't get paid for the crapware on Linux.

I just looked up Dell laptops and the selection chart had two systems at the same price nearly identical. One was Linux and the other Windows. The Linux one had twice the storage. Those were the only differences.

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