Use substitution x=2tan(y) to integrate (37dx)/(x^2*sqrt(x^2+4)) in y

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the expression (37dx)/(x^2*sqrt(x^2+4)) using the substitution x=2tan(y). Participants are exploring the implications of this substitution and its effect on the integral.

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  • Participants discuss the substitution x=2tan(y) and its impact on the integral, with some expressing confusion over the resulting complexity. There are attempts to simplify the expression using trigonometric identities and derivatives, while others question the transformations applied to the integral.

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Several participants have provided guidance on how to handle the substitution and the resulting expressions. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations of the integral and the transformations involved, with no explicit consensus reached.

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Some participants are grappling with the implications of the substitution and the resulting expressions, indicating a lack of clarity on certain steps. The discussion reflects the challenges of integrating with trigonometric substitutions and the nuances of applying identities correctly.

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I feel so :cry: doing this problem.
PLEASE HELP! AND TEACH ME How TO DO IT.
My question is this.

use the substitution x=2tan(y)

(37dx)/(x^2*sqrt(x^2+4))

give the answer in terms of y.

I did the substition, but it looked more complicated.
It doesn't look like a u*du thing, but it does look like some arcsin thing... i couldn't figure it out. The x^2 is bugging me.
PLease help!
 
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Consider that

[tex]\sqrt{4+x^2}=\sqrt{4+4\tan^2(y)}=2\sqrt{1+\tan^2(y)}[/tex]

and then use the approiate Pythagorean identity.
 
namely [tex]1+\tan^2(y)=\sec^2(y)[/tex] so that

[tex]2\sqrt{1+\tan^2(y)}=2\sqrt{\sec^2(y)}=2\sec (y)[/tex]
 
Also, for [tex]x=2\tan (y)[/tex] we have [tex]dx=2\sec^2 (y)dy[/tex]
 
i got

original expression= (37/4)*((sec(y))/((sec(y))^2-1)*dy

but I am stuck.

I tried to do it so that its integral is ln(u)*du, but then sec's derivative would come up...
 
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I don't see how you could have gotten that!
Your integral is
[tex]\int\frac{37dx}{x^2\sqrt{x^2+4}}[/tex]
Letting x= 2 tan y, gives,as you were told before, dx= 2 sec2y dy, and [itex]\sqrt{x^2+4}= \sqrt{4tan^2y+4}= 2sec y[/itex]. Of course x2= 4tan2 y. I don't see how you could have gotten that "-1" in "sec2y- 1".
 
1+(tany)^2=(secy)^2
(tany)^2=(secy)^2-1

4(tany)^2=4((secy)^2-1)

this is how i got it... what's wrong?
 
Do you mean you changed that x2 inthe denominator into
4tan2 y and then into 4(sec2y-1)?? Why?

As was point out before, if x= 2 tan y, then dx= 2 sec2 y
and x2+ 4= 4tan2y+ 4= 4 sec2y so that [itex]\sqrt{x^2y+ 4}= 2 sec y[/itex]. Your integral becomes
[tex]37\int \frac{2 sec^2 y dy}{(4tan^2 y)(2 sec y)}[/tex]
which reduces to
[tex]\frac{37}{4}\int\frac{sec y dy}{tan^2 y}[/tex]
Because of the odd power of sec y, I would be inclined to convert to sine and cosine now.
 
thanx for the guide! I did it.
 

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