Using chain rule when one of the variables is constant

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The discussion revolves around the application of the chain rule in the context of differentiating energy with respect to distance, particularly when one variable is held constant. The participants are exploring the relationship between energy, distance, and pressure, as well as the implications of treating certain variables as constants.

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  • Participants discuss various attempts to differentiate energy with respect to distance, including separating variables and using integration. Questions arise regarding the meaning of treating dx as a constant and how this affects the relationship between energy and pressure.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and raising questions about the relevance of Taylor expansions and the implications of fixed distances from the energy emitter. Some participants are seeking clarification on the problem setup and the assigned question.

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There is mention of a differential equation that needs to be solved, as well as the potential need for numerical methods. The original problem includes background information that may influence the discussion, but specifics are not fully detailed in the thread.

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Homework Statement
-dE/dx = A*(n/E )*ln(E)
n=P/T
Find dE/dP
Where T and A and dx are constants. E and P are variables
Relevant Equations
-dE/dx = A*(n/E )*ln(E)
n=P/T
So first thing I tried was to separate the variables then differentiate by parts, setting u = E and v = 1/ln(E) (and the other way around) but I couldn't do the integral it gave.
Then I tried to reason that because dx was constants then dE/dx is equal to E/x but I was told that's not the case. The lecturer also mentioned the truncated series for a Taylor expansion but I'm not exactly sure how that is relevant
 
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I'm confused how the thing on the right relates to x. What does it mean for dx to be a constant?

In general if you have ##dE/dx=C## for some constant C, then integrating gives you ##E=Cx+D## for an arbitrary constant ##D##. I can't tell if you're trying to say that's the situation you're in.
 
The first equation works out the rate of decrease of energy with distance -dE/dx of an energy emitter. But in this question, we are at a fixed distance from the energy emitter. So it wants us to write it in terms of dE/dP instead where P is pressure (second equation). Let me know if it is still unclear. Sorry if this doesn't make sense
 
We're at a fixed distance from the emitter so dx is constant**
 
Would you provide the problem as it was assigned?
 
The question sheet includes a lot of background information and other questions. Below is a summary.
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You'll need to solve a differential equation for E and x to compute E at x = 10.
You might need a numerical method for this. The Taylor expansion could also be used here (if the error is small enough). This E will of course depend on P, so you can calculate dE/dP. This might have to be done numerically also.
 
Be careful, when E gets small enough, the ln changes sign, so there is something else that has to be brought in.
 
willem2 said:
You'll need to solve a differential equation for E and x to compute E at x = 10.
You might need a numerical method for this. The Taylor expansion could also be used here (if the error is small enough). This E will of course depend on P, so you can calculate dE/dP. This might have to be done numerically also.

How would I solve it using the Taylor expansion? Would I use this formula and set X= 10cm?
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