Using Fourier Properties or standard Integral?

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The discussion revolves around the Fourier Transform of a specific signal, comparing results obtained through Fourier Transform properties and the Fourier Transform integral. Participants explore the implications of their calculations and the definitions used in their analysis.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a signal and computes its Fourier Transform using both properties and the integral, yielding different results.
  • Another participant claims that both answers are equivalent and attempts to demonstrate this using trigonometric identities.
  • A different participant expresses skepticism, noting discrepancies when substituting values into the equations, suggesting they are not the same.
  • Further discussion includes a reminder about the correct definition of the sinc function, which may affect the results.
  • One participant asserts they have verified the results to be identical both algebraically and numerically.
  • Another participant provides an algebraic manipulation to show equivalence between the two approaches, incorporating a trigonometric identity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as some believe the results are equivalent while others maintain that they yield different outcomes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correctness of the approaches and results.

Contextual Notes

There are potential limitations regarding the definitions used for the sinc function and the assumptions made during calculations. The discussion also highlights the importance of ensuring consistent units and definitions in mathematical expressions.

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Hi, sometimes when I'm trying to work out the Fourier Transform of a signal, I get different answers depending on whether I use Fourier Transform properites (such as rect(t) will go to sinc(f) etc) or whether I use the FT integral. Here's an example where I'm not sure which 1 is the correct answer:

The signal is: g(t)=-Arect(\frac{t+T}{T})+Arect(\frac{t}{T})-Arect(\frac{t-T}{T})

Using FT properties:
<br /> G(f)=-ATsinc(Tf)e^{j2\pi fT}+ATsinc(fT)-ATsinc(Tf)e^{-j2\pi fT}

Therefore:

G(f)=-2ATsinc(Tf)cos(2\pi fT)+ATsinc(Tf)

Using the FT Integral:
G(f)=-A\int_{\frac{-3T}{2}}^{\frac{-T}{2}}e^{-j2\pi ft}dt+A\int_{\frac{-T}{2}}^{\frac{T}{2}}e^{-j2\pi ft}dt-A\int_{\frac{T}{2}}^{\frac{3T}{2}}e^{-j2\pi ft}dt

Therefore:

G(f)=-A[\frac{e^{j\pi fT}-e^{j\pi f3T}}{-j2\pi f}]+\frac{A}{\pi f}[\frac{e^{j\pi fT}-e^{-j\pi fT}}{2j}]-A[\frac{e^{-j\pi f3T}-e^{-j\pi fT}}{-j2\pi f}]

Therefore:

G(f)=2TAsinc(fT) -3TAsinc(3fT)
 
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I think that both answers are equivalent. After a bit of fiddling around with the usual trig identities I was able to show that :

\sin(x) - \sin(3x) = -2 \cos(2x) \sin(x)

If you use that in your final equation then it reduces to the earlier one that you got "Using FT properties"
 
Hey uart thanks for the reply.
I've tried subbing in different values for A, T and f but I get different answers from the 2 equations, so they're not the same unfortunately.
 
frenzal_dude said:
Hey uart thanks for the reply.
I've tried subbing in different values for A, T and f but I get different answers from the 2 equations, so they're not the same unfortunately.

Yeah I'm pretty sure I can show (algebraically) that they're identical. No time right now but I'll have a look at numerical values later.

BTW Are you sure you're using the correct "sinc" definition : sinc(x) = sin(pi x)/(pi x) is the correct one to use in this case.
 
OK I'm calling "calculator error" on you frenzal_dude. :) Double check that you're using radians and also double check you have the correct sinc definition.

I just checked and I get them both algebraically and numerically identical!
 
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Here's the algebraic solution.

Starting with your last resut (I took out the common factor of "fT" as it's obviously the same in both solutions) :

G(f)=2sinc(fT) -3sinc(3fT) = sinc(fT) + sinc(fT) - 3 sinc(3fT)

= sinc(fT) + \frac{1}{\pi f T} \left( \sin(\pi f T) - \sin(3 \pi f T) \right)

Now sub in the trig identity I posted previosly and you get :

G(f)=sinc(fT) -2 sinc(fT) \cos(2 \pi f T)

Which is identical to your "using FT properties" result.
 
uart, thankyou so much for your help!
I'm relieved to know I'm on the right track now.
 

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