Using integration to find the area between two lines

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The discussion revolves around finding the area between two functions, specifically (x/3x) and (x/3x^.5), over the interval from x=1 to x=4. Participants are exploring integration techniques and the correct setup for the problem.

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  • Participants are attempting to set up the integral for the area calculation but express confusion regarding the simplification of the functions involved. There are questions about the correct interpretation of the functions, particularly whether they should be written in a clearer format using LaTeX or parentheses.

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Some participants have pointed out potential errors in the original poster's integration approach and emphasized the importance of simplifying the functions before integrating. There is acknowledgment of the ambiguity in the notation used, and suggestions to clarify the expressions have been made. The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback and corrections without reaching a consensus.

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Participants note that the original expressions may be misinterpreted, leading to confusion in the integration process. There is a mention of the product and quotient rules in calculus, indicating that the original poster is still learning these concepts.

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Homework Statement


Find the area under (x/3x) and above (x/3x^.5) between x=1 and x=4.


Homework Equations


-Area of a representative rectangle= ((x/3x)-(x/3x^.5))dx
-To integrate, raise the power of part of an expression and then divide the number in front by the raised exponent.

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not the best at simplifying but here it goes:
4
∫(x/3x- x/3x^.5)dx
1


=[((x/2)^2) / (3/2x^2) - ((x/2^2) / (3/1.5)x^1.5] between 1 and 4


From there the answers are not reasonable (too low). Any help?
 
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Luke77 said:

Homework Statement


Find the area under (x/3x) and above (x/3x^.5) between x=1 and x=4.

Is that ##\frac x {3x}## or ##(\frac x 3) x##? Ditto for the second one. And in either case you should simplify before integrating.

Homework Equations


-Area of a representative rectangle= ((x/3x)-(x/3x^.5))dx
-To integrate, raise the power of part of an expression and then divide the number in front by the raised exponent.

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not the best at simplifying but here it goes:
4
∫(x/3x- x/3x^.5)dx
1


=[((x/2)^2) / (3/2x^2) - ((x/2^2) / (3/1.5)x^1.5] between 1 and 4

And that wouldn't be how you integrate fractions. Do the algebra first.
 
Luke77 said:

Homework Statement


Find the area under (x/3x) and above (x/3x^.5) between x=1 and x=4.

Homework Equations


-Area of a representative rectangle= ((x/3x)-(x/3x^.5))dx
-To integrate, raise the power of part of an expression and then divide the number in front by the raised exponent.

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not the best at simplifying but here it goes:
4
∫(x/3x- x/3x^.5)dx
1


=[((x/2)^2) / (3/2x^2) - ((x/2^2) / (3/1.5)x^1.5] between 1 and 4


From there the answers are not reasonable (too low). Any help?

Like LCKurtz said, the way you write it is ambiguous. Write it in ##\LaTeX## and then just subtract one integral from the other. Either case, your integrals are wrong. What you did was make the terrible error that ##\int\frac{f(x)}{g(x)}\mbox{d}x=\frac{\int f(x)\mbox{d}x}{\int g(x)\mbox{d}x}## which is obviously wrong.
 
Luke77 said:

Homework Statement


Find the area under (x/3x) and above (x/3x^.5) between x=1 and x=4.
As the others have said, this does not really make sense. It would be more reasonable to write the first as simply 1/3 and the second as x^.5/3. If you cannot us LaTeX at least use parentheses to make clear what you mean.

Homework Equations


-Area of a representative rectangle= ((x/3x)-(x/3x^.5))dx
-To integrate, raise the power of part of an expression and then divide the number in front by the raised exponent.
Yes, the integral of [itex]x^n[/itex] is [itex]x^{n+1}/(n+1)[/itex] but you cannot just apply that to parts of an integral, in particular to the numerator and denominator of a fraction. Remember the "product rule" and "quotient rule" for differentiation? You did not just differentiate the parts of a product or quotient and cannot do that for integration.

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not the best at simplifying but here it goes:
4
∫(x/3x- x/3x^.5)dx
1
[tex]\int_1^4 ((1/3)- (1/3)x^{.5})dx= (1/3)\int_1^4 (1- x^{.5})dx][/tex]
[tex]= \left[x- (1/1.5)x^{1.5}\right]_1^4[/tex]


=[((x/2)^2) / (3/2x^2) - ((x/2^2) / (3/1.5)x^1.5] between 1 and 4


From there the answers are not reasonable (too low). Any help?
 
Thank you everyone so much! I forgot all about the product and quotient rule. I'm sorry for all of my mistakes, I just started learning calculus. Thanks again.
 
dimension10 said:
Like LCKurtz said, the way you write it is ambiguous. Write it in ##\LaTeX## and then just subtract one integral from the other. Either case, your integrals are wrong. What you did was make the terrible error that ##\int\frac{f(x)}{g(x)}\mbox{d}x=\frac{\int f(x)\mbox{d}x}{\int g(x)\mbox{d}x}## which is obviously wrong.

You're absolutely right but I think I was saying that I would integrate everything as x=4 and then subtract integrating it as x=1 to get my answer.
 

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