Using Jacobian to determine area

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The discussion focuses on using the Jacobian to determine the area of the transformed region [phi](u,v) for the rectangle R=[2,5]X[1,7]. Participants express confusion over the integration process, with one noting that they obtained a negative answer despite the expected positive area. The correct Jacobian value is identified as 7, leading to the conclusion that the area of the transformed region is 126, calculated by multiplying the area of the rectangle by the Jacobian. It is clarified that integration is not necessary for this problem, as the Jacobian directly relates the areas of the two regions. The main takeaway is that the Jacobian simplifies the area transformation without requiring integration.
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Let [phi](u,v)=(3u+v,u-2v). Use the Jacobian to determine the area of [phi]R for:

R=[2,5]X[1,7]




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- I'm really not sure why I keep getting the wrong answer on this problem. the problem gives you two R's to solve for and I got the right answer for the first one (R=[0,3]X[0,5]), but I'm not getting the right answer for the 2nd R. I would think you would solve the problems the exact same way, but I'm not sure since I can't get the right answer. Would R being changed affect how you work the problem?
 
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Well, what did you do? What is the Jacobian? And what answer did you get?
 
HallsofIvy said:
Well, what did you do? What is the Jacobian? And what answer did you get?

- my jacobian was |-7|. I set the limits on my outer integral (for dv) from 1 > 7 and my inner integral from 2 > 5. I integrated with respect to u first and then integrated with respect to v. I kept getting a very large negative number, but the answer is positive and not that big.
 
How could you possibly have gotten negative answer? The Jacobian is, as you say, 7, and the area of the rectangle is (7-1)(5-2)= 6(3)= 18 so the area of the transformed region would be 18(7)= 126.
 
HallsofIvy said:
How could you possibly have gotten negative answer? The Jacobian is, as you say, 7, and the area of the rectangle is (7-1)(5-2)= 6(3)= 18 so the area of the transformed region would be 18(7)= 126.

- So you don't use integration on this problem? You can just multiply the area of the rectangle times the jacobian?
 
that's the whole point of the problem! No you don't need to use integration to find the area of a rectangle and the point of the Jacobian is that it changes the area of one region to the area of the other.
 
Question: A clock's minute hand has length 4 and its hour hand has length 3. What is the distance between the tips at the moment when it is increasing most rapidly?(Putnam Exam Question) Answer: Making assumption that both the hands moves at constant angular velocities, the answer is ## \sqrt{7} .## But don't you think this assumption is somewhat doubtful and wrong?

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