Using Jacobian to determine area

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The problem involves using the Jacobian to determine the area of a transformed region defined by the mapping [phi](u,v)=(3u+v,u-2v) over the rectangle R=[2,5]X[1,7]. Participants are exploring the implications of different regions R on the calculation of area.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss their attempts to calculate the Jacobian and the area of the transformed region. Questions arise regarding the consistency of methods used for different regions R and the interpretation of negative results in the context of area calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their calculations and questioning the validity of their approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the Jacobian and area, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct method or interpretation of results.

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Participants note discrepancies in their results when applying similar methods to different regions R, leading to questions about the assumptions underlying their calculations. There is also a discussion about whether integration is necessary for finding the area of a rectangle in this context.

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Let [phi](u,v)=(3u+v,u-2v). Use the Jacobian to determine the area of [phi]R for:

R=[2,5]X[1,7]




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- I'm really not sure why I keep getting the wrong answer on this problem. the problem gives you two R's to solve for and I got the right answer for the first one (R=[0,3]X[0,5]), but I'm not getting the right answer for the 2nd R. I would think you would solve the problems the exact same way, but I'm not sure since I can't get the right answer. Would R being changed affect how you work the problem?
 
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Well, what did you do? What is the Jacobian? And what answer did you get?
 
HallsofIvy said:
Well, what did you do? What is the Jacobian? And what answer did you get?

- my jacobian was |-7|. I set the limits on my outer integral (for dv) from 1 > 7 and my inner integral from 2 > 5. I integrated with respect to u first and then integrated with respect to v. I kept getting a very large negative number, but the answer is positive and not that big.
 
How could you possibly have gotten negative answer? The Jacobian is, as you say, 7, and the area of the rectangle is (7-1)(5-2)= 6(3)= 18 so the area of the transformed region would be 18(7)= 126.
 
HallsofIvy said:
How could you possibly have gotten negative answer? The Jacobian is, as you say, 7, and the area of the rectangle is (7-1)(5-2)= 6(3)= 18 so the area of the transformed region would be 18(7)= 126.

- So you don't use integration on this problem? You can just multiply the area of the rectangle times the jacobian?
 
that's the whole point of the problem! No you don't need to use integration to find the area of a rectangle and the point of the Jacobian is that it changes the area of one region to the area of the other.
 

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