Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around the application of linear algebra and reinforcement learning to identify unknown forces in classical mechanics. Participants explore the feasibility of using mathematical models and machine learning techniques to derive forces that are either conceptually known but unmeasured or entirely unknown in physics.
Discussion Character
- Exploratory
- Technical explanation
- Debate/contested
Main Points Raised
- One participant suggests that solving force equations involves finding a solvable system of equations that accounts for all existing forces and proposes using reinforcement learning to discover unknown forces.
- Another participant challenges the notion of "unknown forces," arguing that if all existing forces are accounted for, there would be no unknowns left. They clarify that if unknown forces refer to those conceptually known but unmeasured, such as in control systems, then the approach may have merit.
- There is a mention of using Kalman filtering as an example of identifying unmeasured forces based on deviations from expected models.
- One participant expresses skepticism about the simplicity of the proposed method for discovering entirely unknown forces, suggesting that modern physics requires more complex mathematics and modeling.
- A different approach is proposed, involving training a neural network on a large dataset of projectile motion to reproduce classical mechanics answers, with an emphasis on understanding the model's reasoning.
- Concerns are raised about the potential for overconfidence in a single solution derived from the dataset, highlighting the possibility of multiple valid solutions.
- A metaphor is used to illustrate the risks of not marking one's path in a search for solutions, suggesting that one might miss other valid peaks of understanding if not careful.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express differing views on the feasibility and complexity of using linear algebra and reinforcement learning to discover unknown forces. There is no consensus on the validity of the proposed methods, and multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.
Contextual Notes
Participants note limitations in the proposed methods, including assumptions about the completeness of existing force models and the potential for multiple solutions to arise from the dataset. The discussion highlights the complexity of modeling in physics without resolving these issues.