Using Newton's 2nd to find optimal launch angle

AI Thread Summary
The discussion focuses on using Newton's second law to derive an equation for maximizing the distance an object travels when launched from a height. The initial equation presented is derived from kinematics rather than directly from Newton's laws. Participants note that while gravity is the primary force in the equation, a complete analysis would require considering all forces, including aerodynamic drag in more complex scenarios. The conversation emphasizes the need to integrate various laws of motion to accurately model the problem. Ultimately, understanding the relationship between kinematics and Newton's laws is crucial for deriving the optimal launch angle.
Boatman(J)
Messages
2
Reaction score
0
Hello. In one of my engineering classes we are doing a computer programming project that requires us to use Newton's second law to find an equation that that would give us the max distance traveled by an object launched off a cliff at a known height of H and an initial velocity of Vo. Then with that equation we would use MATLAB's fzero function to determine the optimal angle from that equation, which would then allow us to find the max distance traveled at the angle.
The equation I found was:
x=(Vo)((sqrt((Vosin(Θ))^2-2g(-H))-Vosin(Θ))/g
This was found through kinematics opposed to Newton's Second Law, so I wanted to know how I would go out deriving the equation above (if it were right) through Newton's Second Law of motion?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
kinematics is Newton's laws, so I don't see the problem here. The second law by itself isn't enough; you need the first and third law, too, and then you have kinematics.
 
  • Like
Likes Boatman(J)
Boatman(J) said:
This was found through kinematics opposed to Newton's Second Law, so I wanted to know how I would go out deriving the equation above (if it were right) through Newton's Second Law of motion?
It looks like gravity is the only force considered there. And gravity simply accelerates everything by g, which ends up in your equation. You can express it as force of gravity mg accelerating a mass m, but then the m's cancel out and you are left with g again.

In a less trivial example that considers the aerodynamic drag, you will need Newtons 2nd, because you have to combine different forces to net force to get the acceleration.
 
  • Like
Likes Boatman(J)
The rope is tied into the person (the load of 200 pounds) and the rope goes up from the person to a fixed pulley and back down to his hands. He hauls the rope to suspend himself in the air. What is the mechanical advantage of the system? The person will indeed only have to lift half of his body weight (roughly 100 pounds) because he now lessened the load by that same amount. This APPEARS to be a 2:1 because he can hold himself with half the force, but my question is: is that mechanical...
Some physics textbook writer told me that Newton's first law applies only on bodies that feel no interactions at all. He said that if a body is on rest or moves in constant velocity, there is no external force acting on it. But I have heard another form of the law that says the net force acting on a body must be zero. This means there is interactions involved after all. So which one is correct?
Thread 'Beam on an inclined plane'
Hello! I have a question regarding a beam on an inclined plane. I was considering a beam resting on two supports attached to an inclined plane. I was almost sure that the lower support must be more loaded. My imagination about this problem is shown in the picture below. Here is how I wrote the condition of equilibrium forces: $$ \begin{cases} F_{g\parallel}=F_{t1}+F_{t2}, \\ F_{g\perp}=F_{r1}+F_{r2} \end{cases}. $$ On the other hand...
Back
Top