Using recoil of atom to find correct in wavelength of emitted photon

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The discussion focuses on using the recoil of an atom to determine the wavelength of an emitted photon, referencing the equation Δλ = h/(2mc). Participants emphasize the importance of applying both energy and momentum conservation principles, noting that the atom must be in an excited state to emit a photon. There is confusion regarding the initial state of the atom and the role of the incoming photon, with clarification that the atom does not receive a photon but rather absorbs one to become excited. The conversation also touches on approximations in calculations, specifically whether a small correction can be ignored. Ultimately, the correct approach involves recognizing the significance of these approximations in the context of the problem.
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So firstly, the book supplies the answer of \Delta\lambda = \frac{h}{2mc}

I use energy and momentum conservation. I say the total energy is that of the incoming photon, which is then changed to energy of the photon released, and kinetic energy of the atom, from the recoil. I say the same thing, but for momentum, with momentum conservation. Thus I get the equations I'm using. However, the three ideas I can come up with all give incorrect answers. 2 and 3 are obviously closer, as we know the correction is very small, but it's not what I'm looking for.

Thus, I cannot figure out how to get the correct answer. I am unsure where I'm going wrong. Thanks for any help.
 
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Which incoming photon do you mean? The atom emits a photon, it does not receive one.
You need both energy and momentum conservation here. The net momentum of the system (photon+atom) is zero.
 
mfb said:
Which incoming photon do you mean? The atom emits a photon, it does not receive one.
You need both energy and momentum conservation here. The net momentum of the system (photon+atom) is zero.

To emit a photon, it needs to be in an excited state. I'm saying the photon it absorbs is the one that puts it in the excited state, giving it the energy needed to emit in the first place.
 
I'm saying the photon it absorbs is the one that puts it in the excited state, giving it the energy needed to emit in the first place.
It can get excited in other ways, too. Anyway, the excited atom is at rest initially here.
 
mfb said:
It can get excited in other ways, too. Anyway, the excited atom is at rest initially here.

The below is what I get when I try it with the atom at rest:

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Even now, I still run into a problem. I appreciate that the quantity in brackets is extremely close to 1, but is it safe to just ignore it?
 
Right, that is exactly the approximation you need here.
$$\frac{\lambda_f}{\lambda_r} = \frac{\lambda_r-\Delta \lambda}{\lambda_r} = 1-\frac{\Delta \lambda}{\lambda_r} \approx 1$$
 
mfb said:
Right, that is exactly the approximation you need here.
$$\frac{\lambda_f}{\lambda_r} = \frac{\lambda_r-\Delta \lambda}{\lambda_r} = 1-\frac{\Delta \lambda}{\lambda_r} \approx 1$$

Ahh, I see. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
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