Using the Extreme Value Theorem on rectangles?

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The discussion revolves around proving the existence of a rectangle with maximum area given a fixed perimeter P, utilizing the Extreme Value Theorem. Participants explore the relationship between the dimensions of the rectangle and its area, expressing the area as a function of one side's length.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss how to express the area in terms of one side and the implications of the Extreme Value Theorem for proving the existence of a maximum area. Questions arise regarding the differentiation of the area function and the conditions under which a maximum can be established.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants sharing their attempts to differentiate the area function and clarify the application of the Extreme Value Theorem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conditions for establishing a maximum, though no consensus on the specific steps to find the maximum has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the differentiation process and the general proof of maximum existence, indicating a need for further clarification on these concepts. The original poster's confusion about the theorem's application is noted, as well as the lack of explicit methods for finding the maximum area in the provided materials.

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Homework Statement



Fix a positive number P. Let R denote the set of all rectangles with perimeter P. Prove that there is a member of R that has maximum area. What are the dimensions of the rectangle of maximum area? HINT: Express the area of an arbitrary element of R as a function of the length of one of the sides.

Homework Equations



Perimeter = P = 2(l + w)
Area = (P/2)w - w^2 --> as a function of the length of one side

The Attempt at a Solution



I don't know how to prove there is a rectangle with a maximum area using the Extreme Value Theorem? Help?!
 
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If x is the length of one, side, then the other length is (P-2x)/2. The area is then x(P-2x)/2. We can put this information in a function:

f(x)=\frac{x(P-2x)}{2}

All you'll have to do now is proving that f reaches a maximum.
 
Yeah. That's the part I'm having trouble with because in the chapter, it doesn't show how to find the maximum, only that there exists one according to the theorem...
 
Yes, but you don't need to find the maximum do you? You just need to show a maximum exists.

If you really want to find what the maximum is. Then you will want to find the deravitive f'. The maximum then has f'(x)=0.
 
Two questions/problems:

1) How do you prove in general a maximum exists?

2) When I differentiate the function I get

f1(x) = (-Px + 2x2 + 2P - 8x)/4
What am I doing wrong because this seems so incorrect to me!
 
1) Proving in general that a maximum exists is done by the extreme value theorem. It states that any function f:[a,v]\rightarrow \mathbb{R} has a maximum and a minimum. But it doesn't state explicitly how to find that maximum.

2) hmm, your derivative seems wrong... I get f^\prime(x)=-2x+\frac{P}{2}. This is zero if x=P/4. Thus the rectangle's area is maximal if it is a square...
 
Yes I finally solved it! Thank you to everyone who helped!
 

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