Using the Quotient Rule with the Chain Rule

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function \(\frac{(2x - 1)^2}{(x - 2)^3}\) using the quotient rule and chain rule in calculus. Participants are exploring the application of these rules to achieve the correct derivative and address discrepancies with a provided answer.

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  • Participants discuss the use of the quotient rule and express confusion about the simplification of the denominator. Some suggest rewriting the function to apply the product rule instead. Others question the relationship between the powers of the denominator and the expected outcome.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the derivative calculation, with some participants providing insights into the simplification process. One participant noted that factoring out common terms in the numerator and denominator can lead to the expected result, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of applying the quotient rule correctly, particularly regarding the powers of the denominator and how they relate to the final simplified form. There is mention of homework constraints that may influence the approach taken.

TooManyHours
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Hi,

I'm struggling to understand how to find the derivative of something like this...

[(2x - 1)^2] / [(x - 2)^3]

The answer in my book says it is supposed to be [-(2x - 1)(2x + 5)] / [(x - 2)^4]

How do I use the chain rule with the quotient rule at the same time?

I even multiplied it all out and tried to find the derivative with just the quotient rule but I can't get the book's final simplifed value.

Thanks
 
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Remember, that something like 1 / x is equal to x^-1. You can put everything in the numerator, and then use the product rule first.
 
TooManyHours said:
[(2x - 1)^2] / [(x - 2)^3]

I wrote that a million times before, but I'm too lazy to search. So, let f(x) = (2x -1)^2, g(x) = (x - 2)^3, and the original function h(x) = f(x) / g(x) You have:

h ' (x) = ( f ' (x)*g(x) - f(x)*g ' (x) ) / ( g(x)^2 ).
 
radou said:
I wrote that a million times before, but I'm too lazy to search. So, let f(x) = (2x -1)^2, g(x) = (x - 2)^3, and the original function h(x) = f(x) / g(x) You have:

h ' (x) = ( f ' (x)*g(x) - f(x)*g ' (x) ) / ( g(x)^2 ).

I know that's the quotient rule. My problem is that when I apply it to my problem, I can't seem to get the simplified answer from the book.

For example, if the denominator is (x - 2)^3 and it's squared, shouldn't that produce (x - 2)^6. Therefore, how could the answer have a denominator of only (x -2 )^4?

Thanks
 
For example, if the denominator is (x - 2)^3 and it's squared, shouldn't that produce (x - 2)^6. Therefore, how could the answer have a denominator of only (x -2 )^4?
Make an equation out of it.

<br /> \frac{M}{(x-2)^6} = \frac{N}{(x-2)^4}<br />

Can this ever be true? When?
 
TooManyHours said:
I know that's the quotient rule. My problem is that when I apply it to my problem, I can't seem to get the simplified answer from the book.

For example, if the denominator is (x - 2)^3 and it's squared, shouldn't that produce (x - 2)^6. Therefore, how could the answer have a denominator of only (x -2 )^4?

Thanks
Because you are going to have a factor of at least (x-2)^2 in each term in the numerator and that cancels.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Because you are going to have a factor of at least (x-2)^2 in each term in the numerator and that cancels.

Thanks a lot. Once I factored out (x-2)^2 from the numerator and denominator, I was able to reduce my answer to what was shown in the book...:smile:
 

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