V-i characteristics for voltage divider with current source

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The discussion revolves around the i-v characteristics of a voltage divider circuit with a current source, as presented in a textbook problem. Participants are analyzing the circuit's behavior, comparing their solutions, and addressing potential errors in the textbook's provided solution.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their solution as i = v/4 + 2, claiming a slope of 1/4 and an i-intercept of 2 Amps, derived from connecting a current source and solving the circuit.
  • Another participant agrees with the first solution, noting that when Vin = 0, the current is 2A, and when Iin = 0, Vin = -8V, leading to a slope of 1/4.
  • A different participant proposes an alternative solution of i = v/9 + 10/9, but later admits to drawing the circuit incorrectly.
  • One participant asserts that the textbook's solution is incorrect, stating that the current through the 5 Ohm resistor is fixed at 2A, which they believe simplifies the analysis.
  • Another participant confirms the previous claims by applying Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) and arriving at the same result as the first participant, reinforcing the slope of 1/4 and the intercept of 2A.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correctness of the textbook's solution, with some asserting that it is incorrect while others support their own calculations. There is no consensus on the final answer, as multiple interpretations and solutions are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential errors in the textbook and discuss the implications of ideal current sources on the circuit's behavior. There are unresolved aspects regarding the role of the 5 Ohm resistor and the assumptions made in the calculations.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals studying circuit analysis, particularly those interested in voltage dividers, current sources, and the application of Kirchhoff's laws in electrical engineering contexts.

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This is a problem from Foundations of Analog and Digital Electronic Circuits by Agarwal & Lang, I'm going through it by myself, I'm not in a course, so I'm depending on you friendly forum people for help! I really like this book but it has a lot of errors, perhaps this is another error.

1. Homework Statement


Sketch the i-v characteristics for the network. Label intercepts and slopes.
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Homework Equations


The solution PDF for this textbook says that the answer is
i = (v/4) + (v/5 + 2)
i = (9/20)v + 2
So the slope is 9/20 and the i-intercept is 2 Amps.

The Attempt at a Solution


My answer is i = v/4 + 2, which I got from connecting a current source to the terminal and solving the circuit for i. So the slope is 1/4, the i-intercept is 2 Amps.

I tried simulating the circuit on partsim.com with a DC sweep and I think it confirmed my answer, but I don't really know my way around circuit simulators yet so maybe I messed up.

I understand that the solution PDF got its answer by plugging Ohm's law into i = i1 + i2, where i1 is current through the 4 Ohm resistor and i2 is current through the 5 Ohm resistor.

But didn't it get i2 wrong? Shouldn't i2 = 2 Amps, because the current through the 5 Ohm resistor goes directly into the ideal current source which is set at 2 Amps?

So in my view, the 5 Ohm resistor could be any resistance, it doesn't matter, because there will always be 2 Amps going through it. Am I correct? (Obviously for real life elements this wouldn't hold up but I'm talking ideal elements here). I still am not totally comfortable with the intuition behind ideal current sources so confirming/denying this would really help me out.

Thanks!
 
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Your answer looks good to me.
 
I agree. I looked at two cases..

Vin = 0 so no current flows through the 4 Ohm. Means Iin = 2A
Iin = 0 so all of the 2 Amp flows through the 4 Ohm. Means Vin = -8V.

Plot both points. Slope is 2/8 = 1/4.
 
My answer is i = v/9 + 10/9
Solved by summing currents to 0 at the output (top of the 5 ohm), & solving for i (and output voltage).
EDIT I drew the picture wrong. :H
Post #5 is correct. Interesting that the 5 ohm plays no part in the i-V characteristic.
 
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The 5 Ohm is horizontal. Do you mean the top of the 4 Ohm? I tried applying KCL to the node at top of the 4Ohm and get...

Let into the node be +ve then...

Iin - I4ohm - 2 = 0......(1)

Apply Ohms law to the 4Ohm..

I4ohm = Vin/4 ......(2)

substitute (2) into (1)

Iin - (Vin/4) - 2 = 0

Rearrange..

Iin = (Vin/4) + 2

Same result as my previous attempt. Slope = 1/4, intersects at +2A
 
CoolFool said:
The solution PDF for this textbook says that the answer is
i = (v/4) + (v/5 + 2)
This is wrong. It should be i = (v/4) + 2

The current through the 5Ω resistor is a fixed 2A. End of story.
 

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