Vandermonde Determinant for NxN Matrices

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The discussion revolves around the Vandermonde determinant for an NxN matrix, specifically starting with a 3x3 matrix and seeking to generalize the result. The original poster presents a determinant expression and expresses uncertainty about extending the reasoning to larger matrices without computational tools.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the possibility of using mathematical induction to prove the general case. There are observations about the polynomial nature of determinants as matrix size increases and questions about the signs in the factorization. The original poster also notes the determinant's behavior when columns are identical.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights and suggestions. Some guidance has been offered regarding induction, and there is acknowledgment of the polynomial form of the determinant as matrix size increases. However, there is no explicit consensus on a complete method or solution yet.

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Participants mention the challenge of identifying patterns in larger matrices and the limitations of computational tools in revealing these patterns. There is also a reference to previous discussions that may provide additional context.

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The problem I have is this: Show that

\begin{bmatrix} 1 & 1 & 1 \\ λ_{1} & λ_{2} & λ_{3} \\ λ_{1}^{2} & λ_{2}^{2} & λ_{3}^{2} \end{bmatrix}
Has determinant

$$ (λ_{3} - λ_{2}) (λ_{3} - λ_{1}) (λ_{2} - λ_{1}) $$

And generalize to the NxN case (proof not needed)Obviously solving the 3x3 was not hard, I simply expanded the expression for the determinate given and showed it to be the same as the one i calculated using the rule of Sarrus.

However for the nxn case I'm not sure how to proceed. I tried entering bigger and bigger matrices into wolfram but there was no clear pattern. Is there a non computational way to solve this?
 
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Have you tried an induction over ##n##?
 
grassstrip1 said:
The problem I have is this: Show that

\begin{bmatrix} 1 & 1 & 1 \\ λ_{1} & λ_{2} & λ_{3} \\ λ_{1}^{2} & λ_{2}^{2} & λ_{3}^{2} \end{bmatrix}
Has determinant

$$ (λ_{3} - λ_{2}) (λ_{3} - λ_{1}) (λ_{2} - λ_{1}) $$

And generalize to the NxN case (proof not needed)Obviously solving the 3x3 was not hard, I simply expanded the expression for the determinate given and showed it to be the same as the one i calculated using the rule of Sarrus.

However for the nxn case I'm not sure how to proceed. I tried entering bigger and bigger matrices into wolfram but there was no clear pattern. Is there a non computational way to solve this?
I don't have a complete answer, but a 4x4 with the 4th row being cubic will result in a 6th power polynomial form. The number of combinations of 4 things taken 2 at a time is 6, making for the 6 factors. (I don't know how to choose the minus or plus sign for the terms, but if it does generalize, this might be helpful.)...editing... One additional observation is if two columns of a matrix are identical, I think the determinant is zero. This is consistent with setting the product of the factors equal to zero.
 
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Thank you! The formula for the vandermonde determinant was exactly what I needed!
 

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