Variation of Lagrangian under Lorentz transformations

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The discussion revolves around the variation of the Lagrangian under infinitesimal Lorentz transformations, specifically how the Lagrangian changes when fields and their derivatives are transformed. The original poster presents a mathematical expression for this variation and seeks to understand the conditions under which certain terms vanish.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the variation of the Lagrangian and questions whether certain terms can be set to zero, considering the implications of the Euler-Lagrange equations. Other participants raise questions about the nature of the fields involved and the transformation properties of the Lagrangian density.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different aspects of the problem, including the transformation properties of fields and the implications of the calculations presented. There is no explicit consensus, but some guidance is being offered regarding the nature of the fields and potential issues in the original poster's calculations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes considerations about the properties of the transformation parameter ##\omega## and the implications of treating derivatives as scalars, which may affect the calculations presented by the original poster.

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Homework Statement



Prove that under an infinitesimal Lorentz transformation: x^\mu \to x^\mu+\omega^\mu_\nu x^\nu so: \phi\to\phi-\omega^\mu_\nu x^\nu\partial_\mu\phi the Lagrangian varies as:

\delta \mathcal{L}=-\partial_\mu(\omega^\mu_\nu x^\nu \mathcal{L})



The Attempt at a Solution



The new Lagrangian will be:

<br /> \mathcal{L}(\phi-\omega^\mu_\nu x^\nu\partial_\mu\phi,\partial_\sigma(\phi-\omega^\mu_\nu x^\nu\partial_\mu\phi))

The variation is:

<br /> \delta\mathcal{L}=\frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \phi}\delta\phi+\frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial (\partial_\sigma\phi)}\partial_\sigma \delta \phi=-\omega^\mu_\nu \left[x^\nu\partial_\mu \phi \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \phi}+\partial_\sigma(x^\nu\partial_\mu\phi)\frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial (\partial_\sigma\phi)}\right]


If the last term in the sum vanished somehow, I would arrive to the solution, but I can't see how it is zero. Or have I made a mistake before?

I think I've done some progress:

-\omega^\mu_\nu \left[\partial_\sigma(x^\nu\partial_\mu\phi)\frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial (\partial_\sigma\phi)}\right]=-\omega^\mu_\nu \left[ \partial_\mu\phi\frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial (\partial_\nu\phi)}+x^\nu \partial_\mu\phi\mathcal{L}\right]=

Could I use Euler-Lagrange equations to make this zero?
 
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Seems to me that there is a simple answer: what kind of field is the lagrangian density? How do these fields transform? And then with a property of ##\omega## it seems ok.

In your calculations I think there is something wrong with ##\partial_{\sigma}##: it's not a scalar.
 
Could you develop

\delta \mathcal{L}=-\partial_\mu(\omega^\mu_\nu x^\nu \mathcal{L})
 
I'm going to bed...

$$ \partial_{\sigma}\phi \to \partial_{\sigma}\phi-\omega^\mu_\nu x^\nu\partial_\mu\partial_\sigma\phi+\omega^\mu_\sigma\partial_\mu\phi $$
 

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