Varying Intensity of Gravitational Field and Equivalence

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the reconciliation of the equivalence principle with the varying intensity of the gravitational field, particularly in the context of Einstein's thought experiment involving an accelerating elevator. Participants explore the implications of gravitational field variations and their relationship to uniform acceleration.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the equivalence principle can hold when a man in an elevator at rest on Earth can measure varying gravitational field intensities, suggesting that this might distinguish between gravitational and inertial forces.
  • Another participant clarifies that the equivalence principle specifically pertains to uniform gravitational fields and uniformly accelerated frames, not to all gravitational fields or accelerations.
  • A third participant notes that the thought experiment assumes the elevator is small enough that gravitational field variations are negligible, implying that the equivalence holds at a single point rather than over a larger area.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of gravitational field variations for the equivalence principle, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights assumptions about the scale of the elevator and the nature of gravitational fields, as well as the specific conditions under which the equivalence principle is considered applicable.

Charlie G
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Hi all, I was just looking for some assistance in reconciling the equivalence principle and the varying intensity of the gravitational field. (I'm in high school so go easy on me, I'm just studying Einstein's Relativity for the general reader).

For convenience let's keep with Einstein's example of the man in an intergalactic elevator. When the elevator accelerates with respect to some inertial frame, the man and the other contents are given the same downward acceleration.

Now, for all practical purposes the man is, as Einstein noted, in a gravitational field. But the field of force the man finds is entirely uniform, imbuing objects with the same acceleration throughout the elevator. But in an elevator at rest on the Earth, one could, in principle, measure the differing intensity of the gravitational field at varying points inside the elevator; the intensity of the field being greater at the bottom than at the top for instance.

I understand that at those points, the equivalence principle holds, but because the man can do an experiment (or so I think) to distinguish a field of force produced by a nearby body of mass and a uniform force which occurs when accelerating with respect to inertial frames, how can the two be held as equivalent??

I suppose if we allow Mach's principle to be true, this difficulty disappears, but let's keep to GR for now.
 
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The equivalence principle is about the equivalence between a uniform gravitational field and an uniformlly accelerated frame, not between any field or any acceleration.
 
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Charlie G, You're right, the elevator in the thought experiment is assumed to be so small that variations in the gravitational field within the elevator are negligible. Otherwise you can say that the equivalence between gravity and acceleration is just at a single point.
 
Alright, thanks for clearing that up guys; couldn't read ahead until I understood lol.
 

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