Vector calculus, surfaces, and planes.

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The discussion revolves around vector calculus, specifically focusing on the intersection of a plane and a surface. Participants are attempting to derive a vector equation for a curve defined by this intersection.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to substitute the equation of a plane into the surface equation to find a function of x. They express uncertainty about how to transition from this function to a vector equation. Other participants suggest using a vector parameterization of the surface and question the choice of parameters, expressing concerns about the arbitrariness of defining the position vector.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different parameterizations and discussing the reasoning behind their choices. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of two variables for parameterization, but there is still uncertainty about the appropriateness of specific parameter choices.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of a fixed typo in the parameterization, indicating that precision in mathematical expressions is important in this context. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity in defining the position vector of the surface.

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I have attached an image... Okay, so I have been stuck on this problem for like 2 hours now and I have no idea how to find r(x). I know the trace is the intersection of the plane and the surface. My first attempt was to substitute the plane y+2x=0 equation for the surface equation by solving for y getting y=-2x. So I got 3x^2-(-2x)^2+2x+2(-2x) = z = f(x,y).
So I got an equation which is only a function of x e.g f(x) = -x^2-2x. However, how do I go from this to a vector equation r(x) so I can differentiate to get the tangent vector equation.
 

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PhysicsKid0123 said:
I have attached an image... Okay, so I have been stuck on this problem for like 2 hours now and I have no idea how to find r(x). I know the trace is the intersection of the plane and the surface. My first attempt was to substitute the plane y+2x=0 equation for the surface equation by solving for y getting y=-2x. So I got 3x^2-(-2x)^2+2x+2(-2x) = z = f(x,y).
So I got an equation which is only a function of x e.g f(x) = -x^2-2x. However, how do I go from this to a vector equation r(x) so I can differentiate to get the tangent vector equation.

You could use the vector parameterization of the surface ##x = x, y = y, z = 3x^3 - y^2 +2x+2y## so for the surface$$
\vec R(x,y) = \langle x,y,3x^3 - y^2 +2x+2y\rangle$$Now put ##y = -2x## in that and you will have a vector equation for the required curve.

[Edit] Fixed typo in parameterization ##x^2## should have been ##x^3##.
 
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LCKurtz said:
You could use the vector parameterization of the surface ##x = x, y = y, z = 3x^3 - y^2 +2x+2y## so for the surface$$
\vec R(x,y) = \langle x,y,3x^2 - y^2 +2x+2y\rangle$$Now put ##y = -2x## in that and you will have a vector equation for the required curve.
okay, I haven't solved it yet using what you've told me, but why would that work? How would I know if using x and not x^2 or 4x would be the correct parametrization? Just seems arbitrary how your define the position vector of the surface. mhmmm...
 
PhysicsKid0123 said:
okay, I haven't solved it yet using what you've told me, but why would that work? How would I know if using x and not x^2 or 4x would be the correct parametrization? Just seems arbitrary how your define the position vector of the surface. mhmmm...

Parameterizations of surfaces need two variables. Since ##z## is given in terms of ##x## and ##y##, it is most natural to use them as the parameters.
 

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