I Vector math (small angle approximation)

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To determine that Θ = Δp/p, the discussion emphasizes the small angle approximation where sin(θ) ≈ θ for small angles measured in radians. This approximation is supported by the Taylor expansion of sin, which shows that higher-order terms become negligible for small θ. Participants highlight that even at θ = 0.1, the approximation remains effective. The conversation also encourages testing small values to understand the accuracy of the approximation better. Overall, the small angle approximation is a key concept for simplifying vector calculations in this context.
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Given the following vectors:

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how can i determine that Θ = Δp/p ?
I can understand that p + Δp = p' but nothing arrives from this. Any help is welcome!
 

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Sin Φ ≈ ∅ for small angles.

(Different) Mentor edit: The above should be ##\sin(\theta) \approx \theta##, for ##\theta## in radians.
 
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anorlunda said:
Sin Φ ≈ ∅ for small angles.
You meant to say that ##\sin\theta\approx \theta## for small angles.
 
anorlunda said:
Sin Φ ≈ ∅ for small angles.
wait wait what? How is this true? I've never known this!
 
Delta2 said:
You meant to say that ##\sin\theta\approx \theta## for small angles.
Ah I guess I could see that being true since the taylor expansion of sin is theta - theta^3/3! +theta^5/5! so a small theta would cause the terms after the first to be significantly small.
 
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To be clear, the angle is in radian measure.
 
Boltzman Oscillation said:
Ah I guess I could see that being true since the taylor expansion of sin is theta - theta^3/3! +theta^5/5! so a small theta would cause the terms after the first to be significantly small.
You also see that from the fact that sin(0) = 0, sin'(0) = 1 and sin''(0) = 0. So sin is equivalent to the identity function up to the 2nd derivative around 0.
 
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Boltzman Oscillation said:
Ah I guess I could see that being true since the taylor expansion of sin is theta - theta^3/3! +theta^5/5! so a small theta would cause the terms after the first to be significantly small.

It's instructive to take ##\sin(\theta)## for some small values of ##\theta## (always in radians) to see just how good the approximation is. Even at ##\theta = 0.1##, which is a little larger than what we usually consider "small compared to 1", it's a pretty good approximation.
 
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Boltzman Oscillation said:
how can i determine that Θ = Δp/p ?
Are you looking for more than just basic Trigonometry here?
 
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sophiecentaur said:
Are you looking for more than just basic Trigonometry here?
Well the other gentlemen helped me understand better now but maybe you can provide more insight. So, yes.
 
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RPinPA said:
It's instructive to take ##\sin(\theta)## for some small values of ##\theta## (always in radians) to see just how good the approximation is. Even at ##\theta = 0.1##, which is a little larger than what we usually consider "small compared to 1", it's a pretty good approximation.

okay i will try some small numbers. Thank you sir.
 
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