Vector potential of a current carrying circular loop

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The discussion revolves around the vector potential of a current-carrying circular loop and its implications for the magnetic field produced by the loop. Participants explore the calculations of the vector potential and the relationship between the vector potential and the magnetic field, particularly in the context of the Biot-Savart law.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the vector potential for a circular loop and concludes that it is zero, leading to the assertion that the magnetic field is also zero.
  • Another participant questions whether a zero vector potential at a point necessarily implies a zero magnetic field at that point, referencing the relationship \(\vec{B} = \vec{\nabla} \times \vec{A}\).
  • A subsequent reply challenges the initial conclusion, suggesting that evaluating the vector potential only along the z-axis may not provide sufficient information to determine its curl and thus the magnetic field.
  • Another participant points out that the integral for the vector potential would not always be zero for points outside the z-axis, as the distance \(|\vec{r}-\vec{r'}|\) depends on the azimuthal angle \(\varphi\).
  • One participant notes that this leads to the need for elliptic integrals in the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of a zero vector potential for the magnetic field, with some asserting that it leads to a zero magnetic field while others argue that this is not necessarily the case. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the sufficiency of the calculations performed.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the evaluation of the vector potential along a single axis and the dependence of the integral on the azimuthal angle, which may affect the conclusions drawn about the magnetic field.

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Consider a circular loop of radius R that carrys a uniform current I. We know(by Biot-Savart law) that the magnetic field it produces on its axis is given by \vec{B}=\frac{\mu_0 I R^2 \hat z }{2(z^2+R^2)^\frac 3 2}.
But let's calculate its vector potential:
<br /> \vec{A}=\frac{\mu_0}{4\pi} \int \frac{I \vec{dl}}{|\vec{r}-\vec{r}&#039;|}=\frac{\mu_0}{4\pi} \int_0^{2\pi} \frac{I R d\varphi \hat \varphi}{\sqrt{R^2+z^2}}=\frac{\mu_0 I R}{4\pi \sqrt{R^2+z^2}}\int_0^{2\pi} \hat \varphi d\varphi \\<br />
But we have \hat \varphi=-\sin\varphi \hat x +\cos\varphi \hat y and so \int_0 ^{2\pi} \hat\varphi d\varphi=0 which gives \vec{A}=0 and so \vec{B}=0 !
What's wrong?
Thanks
 
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What is the relationship between A and B? Given that relationship, does A = 0 at a point imply B = 0 at that point?
 
DaleSpam said:
What is the relationship between A and B? Given that relationship, does A = 0 at a point imply B = 0 at that point?

\vec{B}=\vec\nabla \times \vec A which gives B=0 for A=0. Gauge freedom can't help too(By definition).
 
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Shyan said:
\vec{B}=\vec\nabla \times \vec A which gives B=0 for A=0
No, it doesn't.

Remember, you have evaluated A only along a line. Is that enough information to calculate its curl?
 
DaleSpam said:
No, it doesn't.

Remember, you have evaluated A only along a line. Is that enough information to calculate its curl?

Oh God...yeah man!
Sorry...thanks
 
Well if i understand correctly you find the potential only along the z-axis. For a point outside the z-axis |\vec{r}-\vec{r&#039;}| will depend on \varphi as well so the integral wouldn't be always zero.
 
Yep, and unfortunately you are led to elliptic integrals :-(.
 

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