Vectors in a Box: Find $\vec{AB}$ and $|AB|$

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The discussion revolves around finding the vector $\vec{AB}$ and its magnitude $|AB|$ given the coordinates of points $A(7, -3, -5)$ and $B(17, 2, 5)$ in a three-dimensional space. Participants explore the correct formulation of the vector and its magnitude, addressing both theoretical and computational aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially claims $\vec{AB} = A + B = (24, -1, 0)$ and calculates $|AB| = 15$, assuming a specific origin.
  • Another participant corrects that $\vec{AB}$ should not be expressed as $A + B$, suggesting instead that $\vec{AB} = \mathbf{OB} - \mathbf{OA}$.
  • A different participant confirms the magnitude calculation is correct but emphasizes the need to express $\vec{AB}$ using the formula $\vec{AB} = \langle x_B - x_A, y_B - y_A, z_B - z_A \rangle$.
  • Further contributions suggest alternative expressions for the magnitude, indicating that the method used by the first participant is incorrect, despite arriving at the same numerical result.
  • Another participant proposes $\vec{AB} = \langle 17-7, 2+3, 5+5 \rangle = \langle 10, 5, 10 \rangle$.
  • Another reply suggests a different formulation for $\vec{AB}$, leading to $\langle 17-7, 2-(-3), 5-(-5) \rangle$ and questions the previous calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct formulation of the vector $\vec{AB}$, with multiple competing views and methods presented. There is also disagreement regarding the correct approach to calculating the magnitude.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the assumptions made regarding the origin and the definitions used in the calculations. The discussion highlights the importance of clarity in vector notation and operations.

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The following diagram show a solid figure ABCDEFGH. Each of the six faces is a parallelogram

https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/1034
The coordinates of $A$ and $B$ are $A(7, -3, -5), B(17, 2, 5)$

a) Find (i) $\vec{AB}$ and (ii) $|AB|$

$\vec{AB}=A+B=(24, -1, 0)$

$|AB|=\sqrt{(17-7)^2+(-3-2)^2+(-5-5)^2}=15$

was assuming that $A$ and $B$ have origin of zero.
there are $7$ more question to this problem but thot I would see if this starting out right since the rest of it is built on this.
 
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Re: vectors in a box

No, \displaystyle \begin{align*} \mathbf{AB} \end{align*} is NOT \displaystyle \begin{align*} \mathbf{A} + \mathbf{B} \end{align*}. Rather

\displaystyle \begin{align*} \mathbf{AB} &= \mathbf{AO} + \mathbf{OB} \\ &= -\mathbf{OA} + \mathbf{OB} \\ &= \mathbf{OB} - \mathbf{OA} \end{align*}
 
Re: vectors in a box

You have found the magnitude correctly, but to write the vector $\vec{AB}$, you want to use:

$$\vec{AB}=\left\langle x_B-x_A,y_B-y_A,z_B-z_A \right\rangle$$
 
Re: vectors in a box

karush said:
The following diagram show a solid figure ABCDEFGH. Each of the six faces is a parallelogram

https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/1034
The coordinates of $A$ and $B$ are $A(7, -3, -5), B(17, 2, 5)$

a) Find (i) $\vec{AB}$ and (ii) $|AB|$

$\vec{AB}=A+B=(24, -1, 0)$

$|AB|=\sqrt{(17-7)^2+(-3-2)^2+(-5-5)^2}=15$

was assuming that $A$ and $B$ have origin of zero.
there are $7$ more question to this problem but thot I would see if this starting out right since the rest of it is built on this.

MarkFL said:
You have found the magnitude correctly, but to write the vector $\vec{AB}$, you want to use:

$$\vec{AB}=\left\langle x_B-x_A,y_B-y_A,z_B-z_A \right\rangle$$

No, to work out the magnitude correctly it should either be \displaystyle \begin{align*} \sqrt{ (17 - 7)^2 + [2 - (-3)]^2 + [5 -(-5)]^2} \end{align*} or \displaystyle \begin{align*} \sqrt{(7 - 17)^2 + (-3 - 2)^2 + (-5 - 5)^2} \end{align*}. I realize that you get the same result, but the method is wrong.
 
Re: vectors in a box

Prove It said:
No, to work out the magnitude correctly it should either be \displaystyle \begin{align*} \sqrt{ (17 - 7)^2 + [2 - (-3)]^2 + [5 -(-5)]^2} \end{align*} or \displaystyle \begin{align*} \sqrt{(7 - 17)^2 + (-3 - 2)^2 + (-5 - 5)^2} \end{align*}. I realize that you get the same result, but the method is wrong.

Good catch...I should have said, "You have the correct magnitude" instead. Time for bed. (Sleepy)
 
Re: vectors in a box

so $\vec{AB} = \langle 17-7, 2+3, 5+5 \rangle = \langle 10, 5, 10 \rangle$
 
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Re: vectors in a box

karush said:
so $\vec{AB} = \langle 17-7, 2+3, 0+5 \rangle = \langle 10, 5, 5 \rangle$

No, you want:

$$\vec{AB}=\langle 17-7, 2-(-3), 5-(-5) \rangle=?$$
 
Re: vectors in a box

MarkFL said:
Good catch...I should have said, "You have the correct magnitude" instead. Time for bed. (Sleepy)

Sweet dreams :)
 
Re: vectors in a box

MarkFL said:
No, you want:

$$\vec{AB}=\langle 17-7, 2-(-3), 5-(-5) \rangle=?$$

$\vec{AB} = \langle 17-7, 2+3, 5+5 \rangle = \langle 10, 5, 10 \rangle$
there are 7 more ? on this
 
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