Velocity at Piston P and angular velocity of link HP help

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving a slider crank mechanism, specifically focusing on determining the velocity of the piston P and the angular velocity of the link HP. The problem includes parameters such as crank length, connecting rod length, angle of rotation, and rotational speed.

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  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • The initial poster expresses uncertainty about how to approach the problem, having converted the rotational speed from revolutions per minute to radians per second.
  • Some participants suggest labeling the lengths and using trigonometric relationships to express the distance in terms of the angle of rotation.
  • One participant proposes using a formula involving trigonometric functions to calculate the velocity, but encounters negative values, indicating a potential issue with the direction of motion.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to show effort and suggests using geometric relationships to derive the necessary equations.
  • A later reply indicates frustration with the lack of engagement with earlier suggestions and withdraws from the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the approach to solving the problem, with some expressing confusion and others providing differing methods and suggestions.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the application of trigonometry and the specific relationships between the variables involved in the mechanism. The negative value encountered in one proposed formula suggests a need for clarification on the direction of motion.

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Homework Statement


The instantaneous configuration of a slider crank mechanism has a crank GH 10cm long, the connecting rod HP is 50cm. The crank makes an angle of 60 degree with the inner dead centre position and is rotating at 110 rev/min. Determine the velocity of the piston P and the angular velocity of the link HP.

cannot find any simliar examples in textbooks or online which will help me with this question.



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Really have no idea where to start but I've made a start whether its right i don't know.

Right, first off I've converted the 110rev/min=w into 11.5Rads/s
so w=11.5Rads/s
i then assumed you had to find the velocity at H in order to find the velocity at P
so Velocity at H = (Wgh) X gh
Vh = 11.5rads/s X 0.1m
= 1.15ms^-1

(i don't know if that is correct for starters & how i use that to find the velocity at P then the angular velocity at HP, please help?)
 

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Before putting all the numbers in, I would label the length of the crankshaft ##c##, and the radius of the wheel ##r##, the distance ##PG = x##. Then write an equation giving ##x## in terms of the angle of rotation ##\theta##. Solve the equations you need before plugging in numbers.
 
i have an idea of what you mean but I'm still quite lost
 
You are going to have to show some effort. Drop a perpendicular down from H to the horizontal axis. That breaks ##x## into two legs of right triangles. You should be able to use trigonometry and the Pythagorean theorem to express ##x## in terms of the angle of rotation ##\theta## and the other constants ##r## and ##c##. Ultimately, the velocity of the piston will be ##\frac{dx}{dt}##.
 
would this formula work, [ -rw(cos(60)+((sin2(60)/(2xsqrt(n²-sin²(60)))) ]
where n = L/R
i get a negative value when i use it, the piston is moving in the negative direction.
 
I'm sorry, but since you don't seem to care about my suggestions, I am resigning from this problem.
 

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