Velocity change by running engine for 1 year

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The discussion focuses on calculating the thrust produced by a rocket engine and the achievable change in velocity over one year. The thrust is calculated to be 0.02 N using the exhaust velocity and mass flow rate. For the change in velocity, two methods are debated: one using the natural logarithm of the mass ratio and the other applying basic acceleration principles. The first method yields a change of approximately 3411.02 m/s, while the second gives around 3156 m/s. The importance of accounting for mass loss during operation is emphasized, as it affects the accuracy of the velocity change calculations.
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Homework Statement



A rocket engine has an exhaust velocity of 20,000 m/sec. The mass flow (dm/dt) rate is 1 milligram per second.
a) What is the thrust produced by the engine?
b) The engine propels a 200 kg space craft. What change in velocity is achievable by running the engine continuously for one solid year?
note1: assume a constant mass for the system.
note2: One year = 31.56 x 10^6 seconds.

Homework Equations


Thrust = -Ve*(dm/dt)

Change in velocity = V - Vo = Ve*(ln Mo/M)


The Attempt at a Solution


a) Thrust = 20000m/s *(.000001kg/s) = .02N

b) 20000*(ln 200kg/31.56kg) = 36928.6 m/s^2

My question: Part A I believe is right but part b I am having trouble believing. Should I just keep it simple since the mass is constant at 200 kg? Thus giving a new equation which would be
a = (Thrust - W)/M

which is (.02N - (200kg*9.8m/s2))/200kg = 9.79m/s^2
 
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in V - Vo = Ve * ln(Mo/M), Mo is the initial mass of the rocket including propellant, and M is the final mass of the rocket including leftover propellant.

There's no mention in the problem that you should account for the gravity of a planet or start, so you can use a = (Thrust)/M. You still have to compute the velocity change from the accelerations and the duration.

The assumption that the mass is constant won't give an accurate solution, since more than 30 kg of the 200 kg will disappear.
 
So then the velocity change will be:

a= Thrust/M

Where Thrust = .02 N and M = 200kg
= .0001 m/s^2

Velocity @ 3.156 x 10^6 seconds = (.0001m/s^2)*500s = 315.6m/s

Then the velocity change will be from 20,000m/s - 315.6m/s = 19684.4 m/s
 
******Velocity @ 3.156 x 10^6 seconds = (.0001m/s^2)*500s = 315.6m/s********

I meant (.0001m/s^2)*3.156 x 10^6
 
pridet8 said:
******Velocity @ 3.156 x 10^6 seconds = (.0001m/s^2)*500s = 315.6m/s********

I meant (.0001m/s^2)*3.156 x 10^6

It's actually 31.56 x 10^6 second.

I don't understand why you subtracted the velocity change from 20000 m/s. What is wanted is just the velocity change.
 
So which one should I use then?

The ln with mass ratio which gave me an answer of: 3411.02 m/s

Or the a = f/m which gave me a change of : 3156 m/s
 
pridet8 said:
So which one should I use then?

The ln with mass ratio which gave me an answer of: 3411.02 m/s

Or the a = f/m which gave me a change of : 3156 m/s

As I said: The assumption that the mass is constant won't give an accurate solution, since more than 30 kg of the 200 kg will disappear.
 
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