MHB Venn Diagram II: Check Answers & Understand Relationships

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The discussion revolves around verifying Venn diagram representations of set relationships. Participants emphasize the importance of including the universal set when illustrating complements. There is a correction regarding the subset notation, clarifying that it should be B ⊆ A, not A ⊆ B. The need to demonstrate both true and false cases for thoroughness in proofs is highlighted. Overall, the conversation focuses on ensuring accurate representations and understanding of set theory concepts through Venn diagrams.
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Another Venn diagram problem. just want to check if my answer is correct since i don't have a solutions manual of the book I'm using.

Use Venn diagrams to illustrate the following.

a. $\displaystyle A\cup B\,=\,A$ if and only if $\displaystyle B\subset A$
b. $\displaystyle A\cap B\,=\,B$ if and only if $\displaystyle B\subset A$
c. $\displaystyle B\subset A$ if and only if $\displaystyle A'\subset B'$
d. $\displaystyle \left(A'\right)'\,=\,A$

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bergausstein said:
Another Venn diagram problem. just want to check if my answer is correct since i don't have a solutions manual of the book I'm using.

Use Venn diagrams to illustrate the following.

a. $\displaystyle A\cup B\,=\,A$ if and only if $\displaystyle B\subset A$
b. $\displaystyle A\cap B\,=\,B$ if and only if $\displaystyle B\subset A$
c. $\displaystyle B\subset A$ if and only if $\displaystyle A'\subset B'$
d. $\displaystyle \left(A'\right)'\,=\,A$

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I think you should have drawn the universal set too, especially while showing diagrams relating to complements.
 
caffeinemachine said:
I think you should have drawn the universal set too, especially while showing diagrams relating to complements.

i have drawn the universal set. w/c is set A. right?
 
bergausstein said:
i have drawn the universal set. w/c is set A. right?
What is 'w/c'??
 
caffeinemachine said:
What is 'w/c'??

i mean i have drawn the universal set. it's set A.
 
This is how I would draw them...I will leave the other cases for part c) for you to draw. :D

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edit: caffeinemachine is correct, the universal set (the rectangles in my sketches) is needed for complementation.
 

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MarkFL said:
This is how I would draw them...I will leave the other cases for part c) for you to draw. :D

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edit: caffeinemachine is correct, the universal set (the rectangles in my sketches) is needed for complementation.

why $\displaystyle A\subset B$ ? shouldn't it be $\displaystyle B\subset A$ since B is inside A?
 
bergausstein said:
why $\displaystyle A\subset B$ ?

Darn it...after all that work, I manage to foul it up...of course those should read $B\subset A$. I amaze myself sometimes...(Tongueout) Thank you for catching this error! (Yes)

edit: I edited the drawing, and reattached it. :D
 

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The other two cases involve $B$ and $A$ having partial intersection and no intersection. You have drawn the same case I drew.
 
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here's my second attempt for C.
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i just want to ask why do we have to show different cases for each problems?
 

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Demonstrating the truth for the given condition is not enough. You must also show it is false for the other cases to be thorough. This is how I would demonstrate the second case is not true for c):

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The area in blue is within $A'$ but not in $B'$, hence $A'\not\subset B'$
 

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