Verify Solutions to First Order PDEs

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The discussion revolves around verifying solutions to two first-order partial differential equations (PDEs). For the first PDE, the general solution is derived as z = e^xg(ye^x), which is confirmed through substitution into the original equation. The second PDE leads to a general solution of z = g(1/x - 1/y) + yln(x), but the verification process reveals inconsistencies, prompting participants to seek errors in their calculations. One contributor proposes an alternative approach that successfully satisfies the second PDE after backsubstitution. The thread highlights the complexities involved in solving and verifying first-order PDEs.
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Just need some verification.

Question 1

Find the general solutions of the following first order PDE

z_x - yz_y = z

Question 2

Find the general solution of the following first order PDE

x^2z_x+y^2z_y = xy
 
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Solution to Question 1

The first thing I did was find the characteristic equations of which I want to combine to form a surface of solutions.

\frac{dy}{dx} = -y
\frac{dz}{dx} = z

Solving these gives me

y = c_1e^{-x}
z = c_2e^x

In proper form...

c_1 = ye^x
c_2 = ze^{-x}

So the general solution is

c_2 = g(c_1)


z = e^xg(ye^x)

Checking this solution is correct, I computed

z_x = e^xg(ye^x) + e^xg'(ye^x)ye^x = e^xg(ye^x) + ye^{2x}g'(ye^x)

z_y = e^xg'(ye^x)e^x = e^{2x}g'(ye^x)

And substitute these into the initial PDE we get

z_x - yz_y = e^xg(ye^x) + ye^{2x}g'(ye^x) - y(e^{2x}g'(ye^x))
\quad = e^xg(ye^x) + ye^{2x}g'(ye^x) - ye^{2x}g'(ye^x)
\quad = e^xg(ye^x)
\quad = z

Note that I had earlier defined z = e^xg(ye^x)
 
Yes,it looks okay.Can u do the same with the second...?

Daniel.
 
Characteristic Equations are

\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{y^2}{x^2}

\frac{dz}{dx} = \frac{y}{x}

Solving these two differential equations...

(1)
\int\frac{dy}{y^2} = \int\frac{dx}{x^2}
-\frac{1}{y} = -\frac{1}{x} + c_1
c_1 = \frac{1}{x} - \frac{1}{y}

(2)
\int dz = \int\frac{ydx}{x}
z = y\ln x + c_2
c_2 = z - y\ln x

Hence the general solution is c_2 = g\left(\frac{1}{x}-\frac{1}{y}\right).

z - y\ln x = g\left(\frac{1}{x}-\frac{1}{y}\right)

z = g\left(\frac{1}{x}-\frac{1}{y}\right) + y\ln x

However when I check this I don't get equality...

z_x = g'\left(\frac{1}{x}-\frac{1}{y}\right)\left(-\frac{1}{x^2}\right) + \frac{y}{x}

z_y = g'\left(\frac{1}{x}-\frac{1}{y}\right)\left(\frac{1}{y^2}\right) + \ln x

And

x^2z_x - y^2z_y = -g'\left(\frac{1}{x}-\frac{1}{y}\right)+ \frac{y}{x} - g'\left(\frac{1}{x}-\frac{1}{y}\right) - y^2 \ln x
\neq g\left(\frac{1}{x}-\frac{1}{y}\right) + y\ln x

And I can't see that I made an error in obtaining z = g\left(\frac{1}{x}-\frac{1}{y}\right)

Can anyone see where I went wrong?
 
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Hello Oxymoron,

I also get:

c_1 = \frac{1}{x} - \frac{1}{y}

However at that point, I am to let:

w= \frac{1}{x} - \frac{1}{y}\quad\text{ and }\quad r=y

Letting:

V(w,r)\equiv z(x,y)

and substituting into the original equation, I end up with:

r^2V_r-\frac{r^2}{wr+1}=0

Solving for V(w,r) I get:

V(w,r)=\frac{1}{w}ln(wr+1)+F(w)

substituting back x and y I get:

z(x,y)=\frac{xy}{y-x}ln[\frac{y-x}{x}+1]+F[\frac{1}{x}-\frac{1}{y}]

That is, I'm not familiar with your use of (2) above. However backsubstitution of this does satisfy the PDE.
 
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