Verifying Stokes' Theorem: F=(x^2,xy,-z^2)

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The discussion revolves around verifying Stokes' theorem for the vector field F = (x^2, xy, -z^2) over a specified surface defined by the equation x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 1 with the constraint z ≥ 0. Participants are exploring the relationship between the line integral and the surface integral as stated by Stokes' theorem.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the curl of F and its dot product with the normal vector. There are attempts to evaluate both the line integral and the surface integral, with some questioning the conversion of variables in the line integral. Others raise concerns about the symmetry of the integrals involved and the implications of odd functions on the results.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the transformation of variables in the line integral, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct evaluation of the integrals or the verification of Stokes' theorem.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the evaluation of integrals, particularly concerning the treatment of odd functions and the limits of integration. Participants are also navigating the implications of the surface's geometry on the calculations.

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this Q want to check Stokes' theorem ? for [URL]http://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?F=(x^2,xy,-z^2)[/URL] and surface [URL]http://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?x^2+y^2+z^2=1[/URL] and [URL]http://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?z\geqslant%200[/URL]
i should equal [PLAIN]http://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?\oint%20Mdx+ndy+pdz
with [PLAIN]http://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?\int%20\int%20curlF.n.d\sigma

i know : curlF=(0,0,y) and n=(x,y,z) and [URL]http://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?d\sigma%20=\frac{dxdy}{z}[/URL] and [PLAIN]http://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?\int%20\int%20curlF.n.d\sigma = [URL]http://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?\int_{-1}^{1}\int_{-\sqrt{1-x^2}}^{\sqrt{1-x^2}}ydydx=\frac{4}{3}[/URL]

but for [PLAIN]http://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?\oint%20Mdx+ndy+pdz if i get x=cost ,y=sint and z=0 the answer is [URL]http://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?\int_{0}^{\pi/2}x^2dx+xydy-z^2dz=0[/URL] but i can't find my problem??
 
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Why have you not changed x^2dx+ xydy- z^2dz into terms of t?

if x= cos(t) then dx= -sin(t)dt, if y= sin(t) then dy= cos(t)dt, and if z= 0, then dz= 0.
Now, what us x^2dx+ xydy- z^2dz in terms of t?
 
\int_{-\sqrt{1-x^2}}^{\sqrt{1-x^2}} y dy = 0
 
grey_earl said:
\int_{-\sqrt{1-x^2}}^{\sqrt{1-x^2}} y dy = 0

i can't say [URL]http://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?\int_{-1}^{1}\int_{-\sqrt{1-x^2}}^{\sqrt{1-x^2}}ydydx[/URL]

= [URL]http://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?4\int_{0}^{1}\int_{0}^{\sqrt{1-x^2}}ydydx=\frac{4}{3}[/URL]
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Why have you not changed x^2dx+ xydy- z^2dz into terms of t?

if x= cos(t) then dx= -sin(t)dt, if y= sin(t) then dy= cos(t)dt, and if z= 0, then dz= 0.
Now, what us x^2dx+ xydy- z^2dz in terms of t?

gif.latex?\int%20(cost)^2(-sint)dt+(sint)(cost)(cost)dt=0.gif
 
imana41 said:
i can't say
gif.latex?\int_{-1}^{1}\int_{-\sqrt{1-x^2}}^{\sqrt{1-x^2}}ydydx.gif


=
gif.latex?4\int_{0}^{1}\int_{0}^{\sqrt{1-x^2}}ydydx=\frac{4}{3}.gif

No, you only have
\int_{-a}^a f(x) \mathrm{d} x = 2 \int_0^a f(x) \mathrm{d} x when f(-x) = f(x), since then (set t = -x in the first integral that follows)
\int_{-a}^a f(x) \mathrm{d} x = \int_{-a}^0 f(x) \mathrm{d} x + \int_0^a f(x) \mathrm{d} x = - \int_a^0 f(-t) \mathrm{d} t + \int_0^a f(x) \mathrm{d} x = \int_0^a [ f(x) + f(-x)] \mathrm{d} x = 2 \int_0^a f(x) \mathrm{d} x.
If you have f(x) = -f(-x), then f(x)+f(-x) = 0, so your integral yields zero. This happens for your inner integral, where f(y) = y.
 
thanks for your help
 

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