Very interesting incline problem

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The problem involves calculating the acceleration of a system on an incline with a friction constant of 0.2. The forces acting on the system include the gravitational forces on a 4kg and a 7kg weight, along with the force of friction. The calculations show that the net force leads to a negative acceleration, suggesting that the system would decelerate if it were initially moving to the right. This indicates a need to reconsider the assumptions about motion and friction, particularly the transition from kinetic to static friction. The discussion emphasizes the importance of analyzing the system's state to accurately determine its behavior.
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Homework Statement



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Find the acceleration of the system. Friction constant of incline is 0.2


Homework Equations


Force of friction = 0.2 * 7 * 9.8 * cos30 = 11.88N
Force of gravity pulling down 7kg weight = 7 * 9.8 * sin30 = 34.3N
Force of gravity pulling down 4kg weight = 4 * 9.8 = 39.2

The Attempt at a Solution



Since Fg4 > Fg7 then the system should accelerate towards the right.

Net Force = Fg4 - Fg7 - Ffriction = m4+7a

39.2 - 34.3 - 11.88 = (4+7)a
a = -0.63

It doesn't make sense that a is negative, because that would mean the system would be accelerating towards the left, and friction would change directions.
 
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Try to get the acceleration with the assumption that the system moves to the left. You might get a negative value again. It has sense as you assumed that the system moves when equating Ffriction =μN, that is, you used kinetic friction. Assuming that the system was in motion at the beginning, negative acceleration means that it decelerates and will stop. After it stopped, the friction is static. See if the system can be in rest assuming static friction.

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