Visualization of Integration by Parts

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The discussion centers around the visualization of integration by parts, exploring the reasoning behind specific visual representations and the interpretation of integrals in relation to areas under curves. Participants express confusion regarding the mathematical notation and the conceptual understanding of these visualizations.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the rationale behind the visualization of integration by parts, specifically the equation \(x_{2}y_{2}-x_{1}y_{1}=xy\).
  • Another participant explains that the equation is shorthand for evaluating the product of \(x\) and \(y\) at specific bounds, suggesting that the integral can be viewed with respect to the y-axis rather than the x-axis.
  • There is a discussion about the interpretation of integrals as areas, with one participant noting that the integral corresponds to the area 'under' the graph when considering the y-axis as horizontal.
  • Several participants express difficulty in understanding when it is appropriate to simplify expressions like changing \(xy(x)\) to \(xy\), with one participant emphasizing that this is a shorthand rather than a shortcut.
  • Another participant suggests drawing a graph and physically rotating it to better understand the relationship between the areas under the curve on the x-axis and y-axis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express confusion and seek clarification on the visualization and notation used in integration by parts. There is no consensus on the best way to interpret these concepts, and multiple viewpoints are presented regarding the understanding of the visual representation.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the interchangeable meanings of variables \(x\) and \(y\) in the context of functions and free variables, which may contribute to the confusion surrounding the notation and its application.

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Hello all,

I am trying to understand the rational behind the visualization of integration by parts, however I struggle with it a wee bit.

I was trying to read about it in Wiki, this is what I found:


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In general I don't understand why this visualization was chosen, but to be more specific on the details, I don't understand why

\[x_{2}y_{2}-x_{1}y_{1}=xy\]

I also don't understand how can one claim an integral to be the area on the left and not under the curve.

I would appreciate it if you guys could explain this to me. I understand how to use integration by parts, I also understand the proof (although wasn't sure: can you always say that an integral of derivative of some function is the function?). I mainly don't get the visualization, and really want to.

Thank you in advance !
 

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Lancelot said:
In general I don't understand why this visualization was chosen, but to be more specific on the details, I don't understand why

\[x_{2}y_{2}-x_{1}y_{1}=xy\]

Hey Lancelot! (Wave)

It's really a shorthand for:
\[ x\cdot y(x)\Big|_{x_1}^{x_2} = x_{2}y_{2}-x_{1}y_{1} \]
or alternatively
\[ x(y)\cdot y\Big|_{y_1}^{y_2} = x_{2}y_{2}-x_{1}y_{1} \]
dependending on whether we see y as a function of x, or x as a function of y.

Lancelot said:
I also don't understand how can one claim an integral to be the area on the left and not under the curve.

I would appreciate it if you guys could explain this to me. I understand how to use integration by parts, I also understand the proof (although wasn't sure: can you always say that an integral of derivative of some function is the function?). I mainly don't get the visualization, and really want to.

Remember that it's a visualization.
It means that we can play around a bit with where we put an area, rotating it, or reflecting it, as we see fit.
The blue area does respond to the integral 'under' the graph - just with respect to the y-axis.
Note that the integral is with respect to y instead of with respect to x.
So we must consider the y-axis to be horizontal (consider the reflection in the line y=x that will make it so).
After that the area is indeed under the graph.
 
Thank you.

This is difficult. How come you can just change xy(x) to xy ? Just like that ?

I see your point, it makes sense, I just struggle to understand when can I use shortcuts like this.
 
Lancelot said:
Thank you.

This is difficult. How come you can just change xy(x) to xy ? Just like that ?

I see your point, it makes sense, I just struggle to understand when can I use shortcuts like this.

It might be helpful to draw up a graph on paper, look at the area under the curve on the x-axis, and then (physically) rotate your paper and try do the same thing for the y-axis.
 
Lancelot said:
Thank you.

This is difficult. How come you can just change xy(x) to xy ? Just like that ?

I see your point, it makes sense, I just struggle to understand when can I use shortcuts like this.

It's not really a shortcut -- it's a shorthand.

What makes it a bit confusing is that x and y both have 2 different meanings that are used interchangeably.
x is sometimes a function of y, and sometimes a free variable.
In math we'd normally make a distinction somehow, for instance by writing $\tilde x$ when we mean the function, and just $x$ for the free variable. Still, we can see and deduce the meaning from how the symbols are used.

When can we use shorthands like these?
Whenever we want to - just remember they are shorthands, and remember what they stand for.
In particular the partial integration theorem is a bit shorter, more readible, and more memorable if we write it like $\int udv=uv - \int vdu$.
 

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