Volume of tetrahedra formed from coordinate and tangent planes

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the volume of a tetrahedron formed by the coordinate planes and a tangent plane to the surface defined by the equation xyz=a³ at a point (r,s,t). Participants explore whether the volume of this tetrahedron is independent of the specific point chosen on the surface.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the equation of the tangent plane as &frac{x}{r} + &frac{y}{s} + &frac{z}{t} = 3 and expresses uncertainty about the volume's dependence on (r,s,t).
  • Another participant suggests that, despite initial expectations, the volume does not depend on (r,s,t) and encourages calculating the intercepts to find the volume.
  • A participant calculates the intercepts of the tangent plane with the coordinate planes as x=3r, y=3s, and z=3t, but later questions the relationship between these intercepts and the original surface equation.
  • Further contributions clarify the intercepts, leading to a volume expression of &frac{9a³}{2}, although there are corrections regarding the intercept calculations.
  • One participant expresses confidence that the result can be derived through geometric reasoning alone.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to finding the volume but exhibit uncertainty regarding the relationship between the intercepts and the original surface equation. The discussion includes corrections and refinements, indicating that some calculations are still being debated.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the exact relationship between the intercepts derived from the tangent plane and the original surface equation, as well as the implications for the volume calculation.

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I have that P is the tangent plane to the surface xyz=a^{3} at the point (r,s,t). I need to show that the volume of the tetrahedron, T, formed by the coordinate planes and the tangent plane to P is indepedent of the point (r,s,t).

I have found that P is;

\frac{x}{r} + \frac{y}{s} + \frac{z}{t} = 3

A know that the volume of a tetrahedron is giving by 1/3(area of base \times height)

But I just can't picture what this looks like, as far as I can see the volume of T has to be dependent of the point (r,s,t).

Any help anyone could give would be great! Thanks.
 
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Juggler123 said:
I have that P is the tangent plane to the surface xyz=a^{3} at the point (r,s,t). I need to show that the volume of the tetrahedron, T, formed by the coordinate planes and the tangent plane to P is indepedent of the point (r,s,t).

I have found that P is;

\frac{x}{r} + \frac{y}{s} + \frac{z}{t} = 3

A know that the volume of a tetrahedron is giving by 1/3(area of base \times height)

But I just can't picture what this looks like, as far as I can see the volume of T has to be dependent of the point (r,s,t).

Any help anyone could give would be great! Thanks.

You would expect the volume to depend on r,s, and t. But if you work it out you will find that it doesn't. Just write the equation of the tangent plane, find its intercepts and the corresponding volume. Here is a picture with a = 1 of one of the tangent planes to help you visualize it:
pyramid.jpg
 
Thanks for that, think I might be starting to understand this a little bit more now.

Right I have that

\frac{x}{r} + \frac{y}{s} + \frac{z}{t} = 3

and so this plane intersects the coordinate planes at x=3r, y=3s and z=3t but all of these points you know that xyz=a^{3} so is right to then say that the intersects occur at x=3a^{3}, y=3a^{3} and z=3a^{3}.

Hence the volume of T is given by \frac{9a^{9}}{2}
 
Almost right. But check the plane intercepts again. For example, 3r doesn't equal 3a3.
 
Right think I've got it this time.

The intercepts are at x=3r, y=3s and z=3t.

Now 3r=\frac{3a^{3}}{st}, 3s=\frac{3a^{3}}{rt} and 3z=3r=\frac{3a^{3}}{rs}

Hence the volume of T is given by \frac{9a^{3}}{2}
 
Sorry that should say 3t=\frac{3a^{3}}{rs}
 
Juggler123 said:
Hence the volume of T is given by \frac{9a^{3}}{2}

Looks good.
 
I get the feeling that this can be proved with only geometric considerations with eyes closed...
 

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