Wave speed of a stretched string

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the factors influencing wave speed in a stretched string, exploring the relationships between wave speed, frequency, wavelength, and the properties of the medium. Participants examine theoretical aspects and practical implications of wave behavior in different media.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the dependence of wave speed on various factors, noting different equations for wave speed and questioning the role of wavelength and frequency.
  • Another participant clarifies that the frequency of a wave is determined by the source generating it, while the speed of the wave is dependent on the tension and density of the medium.
  • It is suggested that for a given medium under specific conditions, there are multiple combinations of frequency and wavelength that can yield the same wave speed.
  • Several participants emphasize that the properties of the medium, such as mass and density, significantly affect wave speed, with examples comparing wave speeds in different environments (e.g., air vs. water vs. dense strings).
  • One participant mentions that the source of the wave may influence speed, but expresses uncertainty about the specifics of this relationship.
  • A later reply discusses the concept of dispersion relations, indicating that wave velocity can be frequency dependent in certain media, and reiterates that the equation v = λf connects frequency and wavelength for a given wave speed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the medium plays a crucial role in determining wave speed, but there are competing views regarding the influence of the wave source and the relationship between frequency and wavelength. The discussion remains unresolved on the specifics of how these factors interact.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the relationship between wave speed, frequency, and wavelength may depend on additional factors such as dispersion, which has not been fully explored in the discussion.

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A bit confused here as to what wave speed is dependent on. At first I learned that v = λƒ, and a couple of pages later in my textbook I find that v = √(τ/μ). Also, I found that speed is only dependent on the properties of the medium, specifically its elasticity and mass. Where does wavelength and frequency come into play if the medium is the only dependent?
 
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The frequency of the wave depends on the source of the wave (how it is being generated). If you consider a wave on a rope, how frequently you wave your arm up and down will determine the frequency of the wave.
The speed of the wave depends on the tension in and density of the rope. So the medium determines the speed of the wave, but there are infinite combinations of frequency and wavelength that will give the correct speed.
For a given rope under a given tension, the wave will travel at a certain speed and the wavelength will depend on the frequency according to \lambda=\frac{v}{ƒ}.
 
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The medium plays a very big role in wave speed. If the waves travel along a string, the lower the mass and greater the density of the string, the faster waves travel across the string. Waves also travel much more slowly in the air than they do underwater or along a dense string. I'm sure the source of the wave plays a role in its speed as well, but I'm not sure how. This source has some information on it: http://dev.physicslab.org/Document.aspx?doctype=3&filename=WavesSound_WavesAlongStrings.xml
 
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Zachary Samples said:
The medium plays a very big role in wave speed. If the waves travel along a string, the lower the mass and greater the density of the string, the faster waves travel across the string. Waves also travel much more slowly in the air than they do underwater or along a dense string. I'm sure the source of the wave plays a role in its speed as well, but I'm not sure how. This source has some information on it: http://dev.physicslab.org/Document.aspx?doctype=3&filename=WavesSound_WavesAlongStrings.xml
The source does not play any role in wave speed other than through the fact that some media have dispersion relations such that the wave velocity is frequency dependent. The relation v = λf can rather be thought of as relating the frequency and wave length for a given wave velocity, i.e., for a wave with wave velocity v, a wave of frequency f will have wave length λ = v/f. Of course, if you measure the wave length and frequency, you can infer what the velocity is (and thus obtain information on the internal properties of the medium).
 

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