Weired Ice Cube - How'd it happen?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of ice spikes forming in ice cubes, exploring the conditions that lead to their creation and the underlying mechanisms involved. Participants share observations, hypotheses, and references to external sources related to this unusual occurrence.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that air trapped in the water may have been forced out during freezing, leading to the formation of spikes.
  • One participant hypothesizes that uneven freezing conditions could cause water in the center of the cube to expand and create pressure that forces water up through weak spots, resulting in spikes.
  • Another participant mentions the need for specific conditions, such as a freezer temperature of -7.5°C and the use of distilled water, to reliably create ice spikes.
  • Some participants express curiosity about the unique conditions that led to the observed spikes, questioning whether factors like tray tilt or the presence of warm objects influenced the outcome.
  • References to external sources, including a New Scientist article and a Wikipedia page, are provided to support claims about ice spikes and their formation conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that specific conditions are necessary for ice spikes to form, but there is no consensus on the exact mechanisms or conditions that led to the observed phenomenon in the original post. Multiple competing views and hypotheses remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of using distilled water and maintaining specific temperatures, but the discussion does not resolve the various assumptions about the conditions required for ice spikes to form.

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This discussion may be of interest to those curious about the physical properties of water, ice formation, and the conditions that lead to unusual phenomena in everyday materials.

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been an ice cube maker for many years now :-p and have never seen this happen before.

I imagine air was trapped water was starting to freeze and forced the air out at the same time as freezing, but all seems pretty coincidental for two cubes to do this.

Anyone know how this happened?

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nitsuj said:
And yes it doesn't take much to amuse me. :smile:

Hey, I've spent HOURS wondering about stuff like that... What do you think makes people want to be scientists in the first place? :smile:

Interesting that the ice cube in back is doing the same thing, although a bit less spectacularly. My best guess is that there is some condition that caused most of the top of the cube to freeze hard and deep while a spot in the center didn't freeze as deeply as quickly. Then as the water in the center expanded (water is weird, expands as it cools towards freezing) the increasing pressure forced water up through the weak spot, freezing as it went.

But that's a guess.
 
A great guess, must of been how it happened. But yea, specially odd the one in the back did the same thing.
 
They're called ice spikes.

Nugatory has the explanation pretty much right.
 
Nugatory said:
Hey, I've spent HOURS wondering about stuff like that... What do you think makes people want to be scientists in the first place? :smile:

Interesting that the ice cube in back is doing the same thing, although a bit less spectacularly. My best guess is that there is some condition that caused most of the top of the cube to freeze hard and deep while a spot in the center didn't freeze as deeply as quickly. Then as the water in the center expanded (water is weird, expands as it cools towards freezing) the increasing pressure forced water up through the weak spot, freezing as it went.

But that's a guess.

I don't get it. There had to be some special conditions that did not hold for the others, and for almost all other ice cubes. I've never seen that. Like there had to be a small warm spot under that particular cube tray, or maybe a small, warm high-heat capacity object in the tray. Why does it go off at an angle? Maybe its an icicle, formed by dripping water from above? Was the tray tilted in the freezer?

To get to the bottom of this, we have to make ice spikes reproducibly and make no ice spikes reproducibly. I doubt that it is simply a random event.
 
Cal Tech has a wonderful explanation, and preferable conditions to get them to form.

multspikes.jpg


Synopsis:
The freezer needs to be at -7.5C.
Use distilled water.
A fan is better.
Longest spike created was 2.2 inches long.

Now I know how to make spiked ice for my next party!
 
OmCheeto said:
Synopsis:
The freezer needs to be at -7.5C.
Use distilled water.
A fan is better.
Longest spike created was 2.2 inches long.

Now I know how to make spiked ice for my next party!

Spiked Ice...Nice!

So it must have been the temperature that was just right. most of the other cubes in the tray were not completely frozen, still had liquid water in the middle of them.

Maybe they would have become spiked ice if I had removed them from the freezer.

Is just city treated water, so not distilled...must be the other rare circumstance...comparatively "pure" water.

glad to see my spike was average size :-p
 
CWatters said:
I believe it was also covered in New Scientist some years back.

Edit: Yes here..
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16404-gallery-how-to-make-your-own-ice-spikes.html

but need a subscription.

There's a Wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_spike

I guess you need distilled water so that the water freezes at the surfaces, from the outside in. Impurities form nuclei and the ice freezes around them, the freezing occurs throughout the volume of the water. Cool (no pun intended).
 

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