What Angle Should a Basketball Player Aim to Score from 15 Feet Away?

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A basketball player aiming to score from 15 feet away must calculate the optimal angle based on the ball's initial height of 8.2 feet and a speed of 26 ft/s. The discussion revolves around deriving the correct angle using projectile motion equations, with participants attempting to reconcile their calculations with a book's answer of 66 degrees. Various formulas and substitutions are debated, particularly regarding the time of flight and the relationship between horizontal and vertical components of motion. Despite differing results, participants emphasize the importance of understanding the problem-solving process over merely achieving the correct answer. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the complexities involved in accurately determining the angle for successful scoring.
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Homework Statement



A basketball player is 15ft horizontally from the centre of the basket which is 10ft off the ground At what angle should the player aim the ball from a height of 8.2ft with a speed of 26fts^-1?

The Attempt at a Solution



x = vi cos . t
t = \frac{x}{vi cos Θ}

sub t into y(t):

1.8 = [vi^2 sin2Θ - gx^2]/2vi^2 cos^2 Θ

Θ= 22.6

The answer stated solution to be 66°
 
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Hello again. Don't recognize your y(t) expression. Where did you start from and how did you derive it ?
 
BvU said:
Hello again. Don't recognize your y(t) expression. Where did you start from and how did you derive it ?


Y(t) is the y displacement as a function of time.
It has the form yf = yi + vyi. t - 0.5gt^2
t= x/ vi cos (theta), vi=26ft/s, yf=10, yi=8.2 and g = 32ft/s^2
I sub t and the known variables into the above equation. What I got was 22 degrees. But this contrasts with the book's
 
Funny, I substitute t = x/(vi cos(theta)) in vyi * t with vyi = vi sin(theta) and get x * sin(theta)/cos(theta) !? You can change to 2theta which should introduce a 2 (which you do take into account) but it shouldn't let the x disappear !
 
BvU said:
Funny, I substitute t = x/(vi cos(theta)) in vyi * t with vyi = vi sin(theta) and get x * sin(theta)/cos(theta) !? You can change to 2theta which should introduce a 2 (which you do take into account) but it shouldn't let the x disappear !

Where is your vi? Shouldn't it be x.vi sinΘ/vi cos Θ?
 
vi/vi = 1
 
BvU said:
Funny, I substitute t = x/(vi cos(theta)) in vyi * t with vyi = vi sin(theta) and get x * sin(theta)/cos(theta) !? You can change to 2theta which should introduce a 2 (which you do take into account) but it shouldn't let the x disappear !

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The answer doesn't tally with the book's
 
I see you multiply by vi^2cos^2(theta) on the righthand side. To keep the equality valid, you have to do so also on the lefthand side. I.e. the 1.8 changes...
 
BvU said:
I see you multiply by vi^2cos^2(theta) on the righthand side. To keep the equality valid, you have to do so also on the lefthand side. I.e. the 1.8 changes...
Quite so, but I don't think this approach is leading anywhere.
negation, go back to the third line of your attachment: "1.8 = " etc.
sin/cos = tan; 1/cos2 = sec2.
Using sec2 = 1 + tan2 you get a quadratic in tan.
 
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BvU said:
I see you multiply by vi^2cos^2(theta) on the righthand side. To keep the equality valid, you have to do so also on the lefthand side. I.e. the 1.8 changes...


I overlooked that but still it's not working out
 
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haruspex said:
Quite so, but I don't think this approach is leading anywhere.
negation, go back to the third line of your attachment: "1.8 = " etc.
sin/cos = tan; 1/cos2 = sec2.
Using sec2 = 1 + tan2 you get a quadratic in tan.


Let me try
 
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haruspex said:
Quite so, but I don't think this approach is leading anywhere.
negation, go back to the third line of your attachment: "1.8 = " etc.
sin/cos = tan; 1/cos2 = sec2.
Using sec2 = 1 + tan2 you get a quadratic in tan.

I'm getting 22.4 degrees. Still, it doesn't tally with the book's
 
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negation said:
I'm getting 22.4 degrees. Still, it doesn't tally with the book's
I get a much larger angle. Please post your working.
 
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haruspex said:
i get a much larger angle. Please post your working.

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haruspex said:
6th line (1.8 vi2 = ...), check the sign on the tan2 term.


Ought to have been a negative
 
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haruspex said:
6th line (1.8 vi2 = ...), check the sign on the tan2 term.

Did you got 72.8?
 
  • #18
No, should be 65.67 degrees if g = 32
Filling in 72.8 doesn't satisfy your final equation with the corrected sign: some 9630 off!
A check you should always do (if you have time enough)
 
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BvU said:
No, should be 65.67 degrees if g = 32
Filling in 72.8 doesn't satisfy your final equation with the corrected sign: some 9630 off!
A check you should always do (if you have time enough)

Strange. I'm not getting the answer even after correcting that positive sign and changing it to a negative.
But I think it's good enough to leave it here since the problem solving part is much more important than the minute calculation details.
 
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solved.
 
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Congrats! I heartily agree with your #19 post but have to admit that you get more reward, satisfaction, etc. from getting the right answer. And it contributes to saving the world from collapsing bridges and crashing airplanes ;-)
Keep up the good work.
 
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