What are electromagnetic waves

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The discussion centers on the nature of electromagnetic waves, exploring their propagation in a vacuum, the role of the electromagnetic field, and the underlying principles described by Maxwell's equations. Participants express confusion and seek clarification on various aspects of electromagnetic waves, including their generation and the relationship between electric and magnetic fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about how electromagnetic waves can propagate without a medium, questioning the traditional understanding of waves as disturbances in a medium.
  • Others clarify that electromagnetic waves are disturbances in the electromagnetic field itself, which does not require a separate medium for propagation.
  • There is a discussion about how electric fields are produced in electromagnetic waves, with references to the involvement of atoms or electrons and the governing principles of Maxwell's equations.
  • Participants mention that changing electric fields produce magnetic fields, which are perpendicular to each other and to the direction of wave propagation.
  • Some participants seek to understand the mathematical background necessary to grasp the concepts of electromagnetic waves, indicating varying levels of familiarity with calculus and differential equations.
  • One participant suggests that discussing electromagnetic waves in terms of a medium could lead to confusion regarding the nature of fields and their displacement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that electromagnetic waves do not require a medium for propagation, but there is disagreement regarding the interpretation of the electromagnetic field as a medium. The discussion remains unresolved on some technical aspects and the clarity of concepts related to electromagnetic waves.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the mathematical details involved in understanding electromagnetic waves, and there are references to simplified forms of Maxwell's equations in vacuum, which may not be fully explored in the discussion.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in the fundamentals of electromagnetic waves, those seeking clarification on the relationship between electric and magnetic fields, and learners looking to understand the mathematical framework behind these concepts.

Aafia
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I am confusing about it that what are electromagnetic field books said that it does not require medium then how they propagate in vacuum and we also know that waves are disturbance through a medium
 
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Electromagnetic waves are disturbances in the electromagnetic field. They do not require any medium to propagate in. Who has told you that waves are necessarily disturbances of a medium? Of course, there are such waves, but electromagnetic waves are not such waves.
 
can you explain how electric field produced in electromagnetic wave
 
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Atoms or electrons can be involved in producing EM fields, but they are not necessary. The behavior of EM fields is governed by Maxwell's equations, and Maxwell's equations have vacuum solutions, meaning that they can exist even without charges.
 
I read in my book that changing in electric field produce magnetic field which are perpendicular to each other and these fields are perpendicular to the propagation of waves ... sorry my english is not correct .. are you understanding my question
 
Yes, that is correct in a broad sense. There are, of course, some important details. Do you mind if I ask how much math background you have? Specifically, how much calculus do you know?
 
About what ??
 
Orodruin said:
Electromagnetic waves are disturbances in the electromagnetic field. They do not require any medium to propagate in.

I would say that the electromagnetic field itself is the medium that they propagate in. When we talk about water waves propagating through water, we don't feel the need to invoke some other medium, do we? :oldsmile:
 
Then can you explain briefly and easily what are they? To clear the concept abou EM waves :)
 
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jtbell said:
I would say that the electromagnetic field itself is the medium that they propagate in. When we talk about water waves propagating through water, we don't feel the need to invoke some other medium, do we? :oldsmile:
To some extent, yes. The reason I do not want to talk in that fashion (in particular with laymen) is that it risks creating a confusion, namely that there is something called "field" that is actually being displaced (as transversal or longitudinal displacement waves in a medium).
 
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Please explain EM waves
 
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Aafia said:
About what ??
Do you know how to take derivatives or integrals? Are you familiar with differential equations, or vectors, or partial differential equations?
 
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Yeah little bit know
 
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OK, so electromagnetic fields are governed by Maxwell's equations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_equations#Conventional_formulation_in_SI_units
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/maxeq.html#c3

If you do not have any charges or media (vacuum) then Maxwell's equations still apply, and in fact they simplify considerably:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwel...s.2C_electromagnetic_waves_and_speed_of_light

Two of those simplified forms of Faraday's law and Ampere's law basically say that if a B field is changing in time then there is an E field which is changing (curl) in space, and vice versa. Putting those two together gives (with the help of some vector identities) the wave equation. Meaning that the E and B field together can form a wave in vacuum.
 

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