What are the best $20 mathematics of physics books?

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for mathematics books related to physics, particularly those priced at $20 or less. Participants explore various titles and express their opinions on the quality and relevance of these books, with a focus on quantum physics and mathematical physics.

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  • One participant suggests "Mathematics of Classical and Quantum Physics" by Byron & Fuller as a strong recommendation.
  • Another participant mentions that all three suggested books are equally good and are on their shelf.
  • Several participants provide additional book suggestions, including works by Morris Kline and others, indicating a wide range of suitable options.
  • Concerns are raised about the quality of the free textbook by Nearing, with critiques on its typographical presentation and readability.
  • Some participants express differing opinions on the book by Penrose, debating its classification as a popular science book versus a mathematical physics book.
  • One participant notes that Bohm's book is outdated and contains significant errors regarding hidden variables in quantum mechanics.
  • Another participant finds the content of Nearing's book to be good despite its poor presentation, while others strongly criticize its readability.

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Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the quality of the suggested books. While some endorse specific titles, others challenge their suitability or express concerns about presentation and content accuracy. No consensus is reached on a definitive recommendation.

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Participants highlight limitations in the presentation of some books, particularly regarding typographical issues and readability. There are also unresolved discussions about the accuracy of claims made in certain texts.

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I have the opportunity to receive a book of up to a $20 value that must be related to mathematics, actuarial science, or education, so I was trying to find a good mathematics of physics or mathematics of chemistry book. Some of the ones I found are:

-Mathematics of Classical and Quantum Physics by Frederick W. Byron and Robert W. Fuller https://www.amazon.com/dp/048667164X/?tag=pfamazon01-20
-Mathematics for Physicists by Philippe Dennery and Andre Krzywicki https://www.amazon.com/dp/0486691934/?tag=pfamazon01-20
-Mathematical Physics by Donald H. Menzel https://www.amazon.com/dp/0486600564/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Are any of these three especially good or are there any other related books that especially stand out? I am particularly interested in quantum physics.

Thank you for any suggestions!
 
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I can only recommend the first, by Byron & Fuller. It's very good and I hope you are up for it, if you decide to buy it.
 
$6 Works? https://www.amazon.com/dp/0486652270/?tag=pfamazon01-20
How About https://www.amazon.com/dp/048648212X/?tag=pfamazon01-20?
Bohm?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0486650677/?tag=pfamazon01-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0486654931/?tag=pfamazon01-20
Take a look at books by Morris Kline
There are so many good books that meet your criteria that it is very hard to recommend a specific one.
If I had a choice to buy one, it probably would be https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195105192/?tag=pfamazon01-20
If you are really up to the challenge then https://www.amazon.com/dp/0679776311/?tag=pfamazon01-20 for a few pennies more.
 
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smodak said:
$6 Works? https://www.amazon.com/dp/0486652270/?tag=pfamazon01-20
How About https://www.amazon.com/dp/048648212X/?tag=pfamazon01-20?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0486659690/?tag=pfamazon01-20
LancZos?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0486654931/?tag=pfamazon01-20
Take a look at books by Morris Kline
There are so many good books that meet your criteria that it is very hard to recommend a specific one.
If I had a choice to buy one, it probably would be https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195105192/?tag=pfamazon01-20
If you are really up to the challenge then https://www.amazon.com/dp/0679776311/?tag=pfamazon01-20 for a few pennies more.

Nearing is free, if one doesn't mind not having it as a physical book. http://www.physics.miami.edu/~nearing/mathmethods/

Bohm is out of date. It contains a huge error, claiming that there cannot be hidden variables in quantum mechanics. It is interesting, because the most famous counterexample was first constructed by Bohm, in response to Einstein's criticism of his textbook.

Penrose is good, but it is not a mathematical physics book, but a popsci book.
 
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Penrose is good, but it is not a mathematical physics book, but a popsci book.
Penrose is sold as a popsci book but it is mathematical. See the preview. I find it harder to read than the other books I mentioned above :) See the preview.
 
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Nearing is free, if one doesn't mind not having it as a physical book. http://www.physics.miami.edu/~nearing/mathmethods/

Bohm is out of date. It contains a huge error, claiming that there cannot be hidden variables in quantum mechanics. It is interesting, because the most famous counterexample was first constructed by Bohm, in response to Einstein's criticism of his textbook.

Penrose is good, but it is not a mathematical physics book, but a popsci book.
I clicked at your link to Nearing. It's and example for a textbook, one shouldn't even download for free due to typographical sins. I was shocked to see that this was written in LaTeX, and it must have been even very difficult for the author to find settings to get such an ugly result. It starts with using sans-serif fonts (a clear sign that the author doesn't want me to read his text ;-)), but then setting the math in a totally different and unfitting serif font is too much. I've not looked at the contents, and I won't do that. It's just too painful to read!
 
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Bohms Quantum Theory is good for its price.
 
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I was shocked to see that this was written in LaTeX, and it must have been even very difficult for the author to find settings to get such an ugly result. It starts with using sans-serif fonts (a clear sign that the author doesn't want me to read his text ;-)), but then setting the math in a totally different and unfitting serif font is too much. I've not looked at the contents, and I won't do that. It's just too painful to read!
I was really thinking the same. The print version somehow reads a little better but not much. It has good content though.
 
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I clicked at your link to Nearing. It's and example for a textbook, one shouldn't even download for free due to typographical sins. I was shocked to see that this was written in LaTeX, and it must have been even very difficult for the author to find settings to get such an ugly result. It starts with using sans-serif fonts (a clear sign that the author doesn't want me to read his text ;-)), but then setting the math in a totally different and unfitting serif font is too much. I've not looked at the contents, and I won't do that. It's just too painful to read!

I think it is fine. It is comparatively bad but not as bad as you describe it. I can easily read it without searching Ebay for a new pair of eyes.
 
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Buffu said:
I can easily read it without searching Ebay for a new pair of eyes.
:DD
 
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atyy said:
Penrose is good, but it is not a mathematical physics book, but a popsci book.

smodak said:
Penrose is sold as a popsci book but it is mathematical. See the preview. I find it harder to read than the other books I mentioned above :) See the preview.

I would classify Penrose as a semi-popular book. You don't need to be a professional physicist/mathematician to read it, but you also cannot read it if you are a layman.
 
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