What Are the Common Mistakes in Polar and Rectangular Coordinate Limits?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating double limits using polar coordinates and understanding the conditions under which these limits may not exist. The original poster presents a limit problem involving the expression \(\frac{xy}{xy+(x-y)^2}\) as \((x,y)\) approaches \((0,0)\) and another limit as \((x,y)\) approaches \((-1,3)\).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to analyze the limits using polar coordinates and expresses uncertainty about the existence of the limits. They question whether the oscillation of sine and cosine affects the limit's existence. Other participants raise questions about the validity of the original poster's reasoning and suggest exploring different paths to evaluate the limits.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches to the limit problems. Some guidance has been offered regarding the examination of specific paths to determine the limit's behavior, but no consensus has been reached on the correctness of the original poster's calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential requirement of using polar coordinates for the problem and the original poster's uncertainty about the implications of oscillating functions on the limits being evaluated.

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Well, I've made a double limit using the polar forms. The thing is the limit is wrong, I've made a plot, and then I saw that the limit doesn't exist, and what I want to know is what I'm reasoning wrong, and some tips to get a deeper comprehension on this limits, and on what I am doing. For the last one I want to know the limit value, I think it doesn't exists neither. Is it because the sine and cosine oscillates?[tex]\displaystyle\lim_{(x,y) \to{(0,0)}}{\displaystyle\frac{xy}{xy+(x-y)^2}}[/tex]

[tex]\begin{Bmatrix} x=r\cos\theta\\y=r\sin\theta\end{matrix}[/tex]

[tex]\displaystyle\lim_{r \to{0}+}{\displaystyle\frac{r^2\cos\theta\sin\theta}{r^2\cos\theta\sin\theta+(r\cos\theta-r\sin\theta)^2}}=\displaystyle\lim_{r \to{0}+}{\displaystyle\frac{r^2cos\theta\sin\theta}{r^2[\cos\theta\sin\theta(cos\theta-\sin\theta)^2]}}=[/tex]

[tex]=\displaystyle\lim_{r \to{0}+}{\displaystyle\frac{cos\theta\sin\theta}{\cos\theta\sin\theta+cos^2\theta-2\cos\theta\sin\theta+\sin^2\theta}}=\displaystyle\lim_{r \to{0}+}{\displaystyle\frac{cos\theta\sin\theta}{r^2-\cos\theta\sin\theta}}=-1[/tex]

r is always positive, as we defined it.

[tex]\displaystyle\lim_{(x,y) \to{(-1,3)}}{\displaystyle\frac{\sqrt[ ]{x+y-2}}{(x+1)^2+(y-3)^2}}[/tex]

[tex]\begin{Bmatrix}x=-1+r\cos\theta\\y=3+r\sin\theta\end{matrix}[/tex]

[tex]\displaystyle\lim_{r \to{0}+}{\displaystyle\frac{\sqrt[ ]{-1+r\cos\theta+3+r\sin\theta}}{r^2}}=\displaystyle\lim_{r \to{0}+}{\displaystyle\frac{\sqrt[ ]{r}\sqrt[ ]{\cos\theta+\sin\theta}}{r^2}}=\displaystyle\lim_{r \to{0}+}{\displaystyle\frac{\sqrt[ ]{-1+r\cos\theta+3+r\sin\theta}}{r^2}}=\displaystyle\lim_{r \to{0}+}{\displaystyle\frac{\sqrt[ ]{\cos\theta+\sin\theta}}{r^{\frac{3}{2}}}}[/tex]

Bye there, thanks for posting.
 
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Telemachus said:
[tex]=\displaystyle\lim_{r \to{0}+}{\displaystyle\frac{cos\theta\sin\theta}{\cos\theta\sin\theta+cos^2\theta-2\cos\theta\sin\theta+\sin^2\theta}}=\displaystyle\lim_{r \to{0}+}{\displaystyle\frac{cos\theta\sin\theta}{r^2-\cos\theta\sin\theta}}=-1[/tex]

I'm not going to comment on your work before this (mostly because I'm not really qualified to do so), but sin2(x)+cos2(x)=1, not r2.
 
Right, thanks. I thought of it as beeing x and y :P
 
I didn't check your work but I have a question for you. If a limit in fact doesn't exist, it is usually easier to find a couple of paths along which you get different values. Have you tried that or are you using polar coordinates because it is required for the problem?

In either case I would suggest looking at the lines y = x or y = -x in either polar or rectangular form.
 

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