What Are the Different Methods to Define a Plate in MCNP Code?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around different methods to define a plate in MCNP code, specifically focusing on the mathematical representation of planes and the syntax used in the code. Participants explore how to translate a given plane equation into MCNP format and the implications of different definitions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the difference between defining a plate using the equation (3^1/2)x+y+17.3=0 and the MCNP code syntax, specifically comparing "15 p 3 2 0 6" with "15 10 0 5 8.66 0 10 0 1".
  • Another participant suggests that the general plane equation Ax+By+Cz+D=0 can be used, proposing that A=3, B=2, C=0, D=6 corresponds to the first definition.
  • There is a suggestion that "15" might refer to the surface number, and the importance of how A, B, C, D are obtained is questioned.
  • A later reply clarifies that the first definition appears to represent a plane surface, while the second definition seems incomplete without a keyword indicating the type of surface.
  • It is proposed that the second definition could represent a plane through three points if formatted correctly, indicating a potential misunderstanding in the syntax.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the second method of defining the plate, with some agreeing on the interpretation of the first method while questioning the completeness of the second. No consensus is reached on the correct interpretation of the second definition.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the second method may be missing a keyword to indicate the type of surface, which could affect its interpretation. There is also a lack of context regarding the specific application or intended use of these definitions in MCNP.

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I have a question about diffrence between ways of defining a certain plate like (3^1/2)x+y+17.3=0 to MCNP code .for example I know we can define it to MCNP with 15 p 3 2 0 6 but I couldn't understand this method 15 10 0 5 8.66 0 10 0 1
 
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Do you use general plane with equation Ax+By+Cz+D=0, how can obtain A=3, B=2, C=0, D=6 ? What 15 mean, perhaps surface number?
 
Stephan_doc said:
Do you use general plane with equation Ax+By+Cz+D=0, how can obtain A=3, B=2, C=0, D=6 ? What 15 mean, perhaps surface number?

it's just an imaginary surface .for example a part of a cube or everything like this.and 15 is number of surface. is the way of obtaining A, B, C, D important.?
 
ms.shafeie said:
I have a question about diffrence between ways of defining a certain plate like (3^1/2)x+y+17.3=0 to MCNP code .for example I know we can define it to MCNP with 15 p 3 2 0 6 but I couldn't understand this method 15 10 0 5 8.66 0 10 0 1

It's a little hard without the context.

The first one

15 p 3 2 0 6

looks like a plane surface, called surface 15, and defined by Ax + By + Cz – D = 0. So this is A=3, B=2, C=0, and D=6. That is, this corresponds to

3A + 2Y - 6 = 0

But the second one

15 10 0 5 8.66 0 10 0 1

seems to be missing something. If it's supposed to be a surface it needs a keyword to indicate the kind of surface. Is there maybe a number and the letters xyzp missing? If it was something like this

20 xyzp 15 10 0 5 8.66 0 10 0 1

that would be a plane, called surface 20, through the following three points.

(15,10,0)
(5, 8.66, 0)
(10,0,1)

Does this help?
Dan
 

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