What are the extreme values of the speed for a given parametric curve?

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The discussion revolves around two main questions regarding vector operations and parametric curves. The first question addresses the identity of vector cross products, concluding that if vector A is equal to vector B, then A crossed with A equals zero. The second question seeks to determine the minimum and maximum speeds of a parametric curve defined by x=t+cos(t) and y=t-sin(t), with the speed calculated as the magnitude of the velocity vector. The participants clarify that to find extrema of speed, one should differentiate the square of the speed and set it to zero, leading to the condition that the velocity vector is orthogonal to the acceleration vector. Overall, the discussion emphasizes the importance of rigorous mathematical reasoning in solving these vector-related problems.
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First question:
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This first question is kind of weird. I'm not even sure where to go with it. If anyone has a hint, that would be awesome.

From \vec A \times \vec B = -\vec B \times \vec A deduce \vec A \times \vec A = 0

Can it be as simple as:
let \vec B = \vec A_0 | \vec A_0 = \vec A
thus: \vec A \times \vec A_0 = -\vec A_0 \times \vec A = 0

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Second question:
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Find the minimum and maximum speed if x=t+\cos t, y=t-\sin t.

Please allow me to take advantage of the inner space operator for sake of ease while writing the vectors :)

Thus:
\vec x = <t+\cos t,t-\sin t>
\vec v = <1-\sin t, 1-cos t>

So speed is computed as: |\vec v|. Therefore the largest speed values that can occur are when: \vec v = <1,2> or <2,1> and the lowest speed values that can occur are when \vec v = <1,0> or <0,1>.

Is this reasoning even correct with this problem?
 
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For the first one, I'm not sure what A0 is, but all you have to do is let B=A in the first identity. For the second, you might want to be a little more rigorous. You can find the extrema of the speed by:

\frac{d}{dt} |\vec v|^2 = 0

And use:\frac{d}{dt} |\vec v|^2 = \frac{d}{dt} (\vec v\cdot \vec v)

Which will lead you to the equation:

\vec v \cdot \vec a = 0
 
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With the \vec A_0 = \vec A I was just trying to show that I was plugging \vec A into the expression. It really wasn't necessary and actually more confusing (I left this out of the homework).

For the second one. Cool :smile: Thank you. That's what I wasn't doing. I needed to find the extrema of the speed not of the velocity vector. I appreciate it.
 
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