What are the factors that affect the speed of light?

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The discussion revolves around the factors that affect the speed of light, exploring its fundamental nature, the reasons behind its specific value, and the implications of light's speed in various contexts. Participants delve into theoretical, conceptual, and philosophical inquiries regarding the speed of light, its relationship with mass, and the nature of light itself.

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the speed of light is a fundamental property of the universe, questioning why it has the specific value 'c' rather than being faster or slower.
  • Others propose that the speed of light is determined by the geometry of space-time and is often set to 1 in theoretical work.
  • There are claims that the speed of light is influenced by the properties of permeability and permittivity of space, as derived from Maxwell's equations.
  • One participant expresses a desire for a deeper understanding of why 'c' has its value, comparing it to the proton mass, which can be calculated through quantum electrodynamics (QED).
  • Another participant mentions that the speed of light is defined as a natural unit of speed, challenging the notion of it being a universal constant.
  • Some participants explore the philosophical implications of faster-than-light travel, questioning whether thoughts could travel faster than light, though others counter that brain signals are electrical and have mass, thus cannot exceed the speed of light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature and implications of the speed of light, with no consensus reached on the reasons for its specific value or the possibility of faster-than-light phenomena. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives present.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions hinge on definitions and assumptions regarding physical constants and the nature of massless particles. The relationship between light speed and other universal constants is also debated, highlighting the complexity of the topic.

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What makes light travel so fast?
 
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Hi Rohan! :wink:

Light is made of photons, and photons have no mass.

So photons can travel at the maximum possible speed. :smile:
 
A more interesting question is why light travels at the speed it does, and not faster or slower? Why does zero mass give us exactly 'c' in vacuum?
 
RocketSci5KN said:
A more interesting question is why light travels at the speed it does, and not faster or slower? Why does zero mass give us exactly 'c' in vacuum?

Why don't you reverse that question? i.e.:

Q: Why did the Universe evolve such that all massive bodies around us have the velocities we measure?
A: Because the speed of light is finite.
 
Dr Lots-o'watts said:
Why don't you reverse that question? i.e.:

Q: Why did the Universe evolve such that all massive bodies around us have the velocities we measure?
A: Because the speed of light is finite.

Touche...
 
Why does light travel at all and what keeps it going? I fail to see any propulsion system.
 
Radrook said:
Why does light travel at all and what keeps it going? I fail to see any propulsion system.

uhhh? :confused:

Newton's first law … anything on which no forces act, moves at the same velocity forever
 
Dr Lots-o'watts said:
Why don't you reverse that question? i.e.:

Q: Why did the Universe evolve such that all massive bodies around us have the velocities we measure?
A: Because the speed of light is finite.

My question is why light has the velocity we measure, 'c', and not a higher or lower value...
 
RocketSci5KN said:
My question is why light has the velocity we measure, 'c', and not a higher or lower value...
The 'c' value is a fundamental property of our Universe. Maybe another universes with different values of c, h and G exist.
 
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RocketSci5KN said:
My question is why light has the velocity we measure, 'c', and not a higher or lower value...

As said above, it's simply a constant of the universe. It does no good to ask why we have this constant, as it's just the way it is.
 
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Why does c have the value it does? My answer is: relative to what?

Its value is fixed by the geometry of space-time, and in a lot of theoretical work, it is set equal to 1. One relates time and space values in familiar units by using a value of c in them as a units factor. Thus, 1 m ~ 3 nanoseconds.
 
  • #12
The speed of light is due to the properties of permeability and permissivity of space. These are derived from the Maxwell equations.
 
  • #13
I understand that 'c' is exactly 299,792,458 metres per second or can be expressed as c = 1/√ε0μ0, (two other universal constants), but I was hoping for a more satisfying answer other than 'its the way it is'. The proton mass was a constant, and just the way it is, until QED showed a way to calculate the value. Anything similar for 'calculating' what c should be for a massless particle yet without using circular logic?
 
  • #14
RocketSci5KN said:
'c' can be expressed as c = 1/√ε0μ0, (two other universal constants)
Are you troll? By defenition [tex]\mu_0 = 4\pi \cdot 10^{-7} Gn\cdot m,\ \epsilon = c^2/\mu_0[/tex] and not universal constants.
'c' is just a natural unit of speed.
 
  • #15
RocketSci5KN said:
I understand that 'c' is exactly 299,792,458 metres per second or can be expressed as c = 1/√ε0μ0, (two other universal constants), but I was hoping for a more satisfying answer other than 'its the way it is'. The proton mass was a constant, and just the way it is, until QED showed a way to calculate the value. Anything similar for 'calculating' what c should be for a massless particle yet without using circular logic?

Proton mass isn't a constant just like the mass of the Earth isn't a constant. Some of the physical constants are: the speed of light in vacuum c, the gravitational constant G, Planck's constant h, the electric constant ε0, and the elementary charge e.

I don't know of a way of calculating why c is c, sorry. Perhaps someone else does.
 
  • #16
whats really interesting concept to me, is what i read in wikipedia under keyword faster-than-light.
according to this-...In other words, any travel that is faster-than-light will be seen as traveling backwards in time in some other...
I connected the imagery with something similar to the workings of the mind.
When we remember something, we often see images of the thought.
Since our brains work with electrics and light, is it possible that those thoughts are faster than light, or is this just incomprehensible nonsense?
 
  • #17
bobalazs said:
whats really interesting concept to me, is what i read in wikipedia under keyword faster-than-light.
according to this-...In other words, any travel that is faster-than-light will be seen as traveling backwards in time in some other...
I connected the imagery with something similar to the workings of the mind.
When we remember something, we often see images of the thought.
Since our brains work with electrics and light, is it possible that those thoughts are faster than light, or is this just incomprehensible nonsense?

Our brains work on electrical and chemical signals I believe. And no, we aren't remembering things faster than light.
 
  • #18
Thoughts could never be faster than light. Brain signals are electricity, which are forced electrons, which have a mass of 1. Photons that make up light have zero mass as expressed previously. More mass = Reduced Speed Capabilities.

Plus we're on earth, not in a vacuum.
 
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