What are the Internal Forces at Point C in a Distributed Load System?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the internal normal, shear, and moment forces at point C in a distributed load system, specifically focusing on the calculations involving tension in a cable and the effects of a pulley system. The context includes homework-related problem-solving and technical reasoning.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents two equations for calculating tension in the cable, noting a discrepancy between their results.
  • Another participant questions the origin of the first equation and affirms the correctness of the second equation.
  • There is a discussion about the lever arm used in the second equation, with one participant suggesting it should include contributions from multiple segments.
  • Concerns are raised about how tension in the cable is transmitted to the lever arm over the pulley, with one participant asserting that if the pulley is not rotating, the tension remains constant along the cable.
  • A participant suggests that the applied load is partially taken in shear by the lower member, indicating a need to trust equilibrium equations for support reactions.
  • Another participant proposes a revised equation for tension, incorporating the angle of the cable after passing over the pulley.
  • There is a suggestion that a proper free body diagram would clarify the situation and validate the second equation as straightforward.
  • One participant emphasizes that the rope is only cut at one location, implying that the rest of the system remains internal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the equations used to calculate tension and the assumptions regarding the distribution of forces in the system. There is no consensus on the correct approach or the validity of the equations presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific angles and distances in their calculations, but the discussion does not resolve the assumptions or definitions related to these parameters. The exact nature of the forces at play and their interactions remains unclear.

Isaac Reed
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Homework Statement


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find internal normal, shear, and moment forces at point C, P=8kn

The Attempt at a Solution


for the most part I can solve this entire question but looking at the solution for it one of my equations is different and I cannot figure out why.
my equation for finding T(tension in cable)
ΣMa=0: 8(2.25)-T(.75/.96)=0
gives T=28.84kN

equation 2
ΣMa=0: -T(0.6)+8(2.25)=0 ←?
gives T=30.00kN
 
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I don't see where your 1st equation comes from.

2nd equation looks right.
 
but why exactly the T(0.6) in 2nd equation
 
Isn't it the lever arm 0.5m+0.1m?
 
how does all of the tension in the cable get transmitted to the lever arm over the pulley?
 
Just as anything else. If the pulley is not rotating then the tension in the cable is constant for its entire length.
 
Isaac Reed said:
how does all of the tension in the cable get transmitted to the lever arm over the pulley?
You didn't respond to paisiello2 comment in post 2, but it appears you tried to treat this as a truss at the joint where load P is applied by isolating the joint and assuming all the vert applied load is taken by the cable. But some of it is taken in shear by the lower member. Trust your equilibrium equations when determining support reactions from externally applied loads.
 
Ahhhhhhh OK because the cable is only in the x direction after it goes over the pulley all of its y components are transferred to the beam. So if I finish my first equation I end up with.

ΣM=0: 8(2.25)-T(cos33.7)(2.25)+T(cos33.7)(1.5)=0
And I get T=30
 
Not sure what you did there but if you draw a proper free body diagram you will see directly that the 2nd equation in your OP is the most straight forward.
 
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It is clearly the most straiforward. But how is the component of the tension at the end of the beam not included in equation?
 
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Draw a free body diagram. The rope is only cut at one location. The rest is internal.
 

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