What Are the Key Insights into RC Circuit Behavior in Excel?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of an RC circuit, particularly focusing on the calculations of current, voltage, and energy delivered over time. Participants explore the application of equations related to RC circuits and clarify concepts related to initial and steady-state currents.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents equations for voltage and current in an RC circuit but expresses confusion regarding the total energy delivered being less than the initial energy.
  • Another participant suggests that the initial current should be calculated as 6A and emphasizes the need for a change in voltage over the timestep for accurate calculations.
  • A participant clarifies that the total energy delivered is found by multiplying instantaneous power by the timestep size.
  • There is a discussion about the initial current being 6A due to the capacitor being charged and the resistance present when the voltage source switches to 0V.
  • One participant acknowledges understanding the initial current calculation and notes the instantaneous change in current through a capacitor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the calculation methods for current and energy in the RC circuit, but there is some confusion regarding the initial current value and its relation to steady-state conditions. The discussion remains partially unresolved as participants clarify their understanding without reaching a consensus on all points.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the circuit configuration and the definitions of terms like initial and steady-state current remain implicit. The discussion does not fully resolve the nuances of these concepts.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations


v(t) = v0*e^(-t/RC)
i(t) = C*(dv/dt)
E = .5*C*V^2
P=v*i

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm having trouble with part e. As far as I can tell, all of my equations are correct, but the total energy delivered is notably less than the initial energy; I was hoping someone could point out my mistake.
Here's what I've got:
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I can see a few odd things. First, the initial current should be 6A. If you're trying to use i = C*dv/dt to calculate it you'll need a dV value, the change in voltage over the timestep, not the current value of V. And you'll need to use dt, not \tau. But then, why not write an explicit formula for the current as you did for the voltage? i(t) = Io exp(-t/\tau).

The sum of the instantaneous power over time is not the total power delivered. Each of those power points needs to be multiplied by the timestep size to determine the energy delivered in that timestep. So for the timesptep at time t, the energy delivered is approximately v(t)*i(t)*dt.
 
Thank you very much for the response. I seem to be getting the correct answer (~1.845 J which is within my allowed margin of error) now when each power value is multiplied by dt. However, I'm a bit confused as to why the initial current would be 6A, why is it not the steady state value of 0A?
 
sad panda said:
Thank you very much for the response. I seem to be getting the correct answer (~1.845 J which is within my allowed margin of error) now when each power value is multiplied by dt. However, I'm a bit confused as to why the initial current would be 6A, why is it not the steady state value of 0A?

If I understood the circuit properly, at time t=0 the voltage source switches from supplying 12V to supplying 0V, or in other words, it becomes a short circuit. This being so, the capacitor is left charged up with 12V on it, and that 12V "sees" a resistance of 2.0 Ohms. 12V/2Ω = 6.0 Amps. That's your initial current.
 
gneill said:
If I understood the circuit properly, at time t=0 the voltage source switches from supplying 12V to supplying 0V, or in other words, it becomes a short circuit. This being so, the capacitor is left charged up with 12V on it, and that 12V "sees" a resistance of 2.0 Ohms. 12V/2Ω = 6.0 Amps. That's your initial current.

Thanks, that makes sense. I forgot that the current through a capacitor can change instantaneously.
 

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