What Are the Key Questions About Thermite Reactions?

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The discussion revolves around thermite reactions, specifically addressing questions about the release of hydrogen when thermite is placed in water, the separation of aluminum oxide from iron post-reaction, and the feasibility of splitting aluminum oxide into oxygen and aluminum. The scope includes theoretical aspects and practical applications of thermite reactions.

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  • One participant questions whether hydrogen is released when thermite is placed in water or if it is just steam, suggesting that the reaction does not produce hydrogen.
  • Another participant confirms that aluminum oxide floats on molten iron after the thermite reaction and discusses methods to separate them.
  • There is a proposal to electrolyze aluminum oxide to obtain aluminum, but concerns are raised about the high temperatures required for this process.
  • A participant inquires about the amount of electricity needed for the electrolysis of aluminum oxide, referencing Faraday's law of electrolysis.
  • Concerns are expressed regarding the practicality of containing molten aluminum at high temperatures and the safety risks involved in such discussions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the release of hydrogen in water and the practicality of electrolyzing aluminum oxide, indicating that multiple competing views remain and the discussion is unresolved.

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Participants mention high temperatures required for processes and the need for suitable materials to contain molten substances, highlighting limitations in practical applications and safety considerations.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying thermite reactions, electrolysis, and materials science, particularly in the context of high-temperature reactions and separation techniques.

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I have three questions about thermite.

1. Is hydrogen released when thermite is placed in water or is it just steam?

2. How can I separate the aluminum oxide from the iron after the reaction?

3. Can the aluminum oxide be split apart into oxygen and aluminum?Any knowledge would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
 
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First of all, thermite reaction.[tex]Fe_2O_3+Al \rightarrow Fe(molten)+Al_2O_3[/tex]

1.) I can't see any hydrogen here. If you are placing it in water, its just steam. Thermite, as its name may suggest, is very exothermic, so much that the iron produced is actually produced in molten form.

2.) Iron is formed in molten form and Aluminium oxide floats on it as slag.

3.) You can collect all that oxide, heat them until they fuse (Alumina) they electrolyze it to obtain aluminium.
 
AGNuke said:
You can collect all that oxide, heat them until they fuse (Alumina) they electrolyze it to obtain aluminium.

Good luck heating it up to 2000 °C. We don't use cryolite (or its equivalents) as a flux without a reason.
 
How much electricity would I need to separate the two?

The aluminum would already be at 2500 degrees from the actual thermite reaction.
 
goleynik said:
How much electricity would I need to separate the two?

This one is simple - check Faraday's law of electrolysis.

The aluminum would already be at 2500 degrees from the actual thermite reaction.

It will be at 2500, but do you have something to contain it in? Do you have an electrode material capable of surviving so high temp?

Sorry, it doesn't sound like something we want to discuss here. Too risky for my liking.
 

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