What are the natural target of naturally occuring beta lactamase ?

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The discussion centers on the ancient origins of beta-lactamase enzymes and their role in bacterial resistance to antibiotics, specifically those derived from fungi, such as penicillin. Beta-lactamase enzymes target the beta-lactam ring, a crucial component of penicillin. The conversation highlights the evolutionary relationship between antibiotic-producing organisms and bacteria that have developed resistance mechanisms. A key point raised is the difficulty in identifying specific ancestral beta-lactams due to the lack of fossilization of molecules. The inquiry shifts towards contemporary examples of antibiotic resistance arising from natural interactions, rather than those influenced by human activity, emphasizing a desire for current cases of resistance development.
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I have learned that beta-lactamase enzymes have very ancient origin. And they are just tinkered in the recent anthropogenic activity. So some original form must be out there. What are their natural target?
 
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Remember that penicillin was originally derived from a fungus. There are plenty of organisms in nature that produce antibiotic compounds from which the bacteria need to defend themselves.
 
Ygggdrasil said:
Remember that penicillin was originally derived from a fungus. There are plenty of organisms in nature that produce antibiotic compounds from which the bacteria need to defend themselves.
Actually I was looking for a specific example.
 
Ahmed Abdullah said:
Actually I was looking for a specific example.

He was specific. Beta-lactamase attacks beta-lactam rings. Which forms the backbone of penicillins produced by fungi. Something bacteria would need to defend themselves against.

If you are asking what was the specific fungi beta-lactam that bacteria evolved beta-lactamases to that is a silly question. Molecules don't fossilize so there is no reason we should expect to ever know the exact ancestral beta-lactam.
 
bobze said:
He was specific. Beta-lactamase attacks beta-lactam rings. Which forms the backbone of penicillins produced by fungi. Something bacteria would need to defend themselves against.

If you are asking what was the specific fungi beta-lactam that bacteria evolved beta-lactamases to that is a silly question. Molecules don't fossilize so there is no reason we should expect to ever know the exact ancestral beta-lactam.

Sorry you misunderstood me. I wanted to know the name of the species that produce such antibiotic , the bacteria that became resistant to that and the relationship between them. I am not looking for ancestral examples (may be an impossibility, who knows). I am looking for present cases where resistance developed (exist) for non-anthropogenic activity.
 
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