What Are the Properties of \Sigma: \beta, x, y, z?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a set defined as \Sigma = { \beta, x, y, z}, where \beta represents a blank symbol. Participants are tasked with computing the lengths of various expressions involving these symbols, particularly focusing on the definitions and implications of \beta and \lambda.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants express confusion regarding the definitions of \beta and \lambda, questioning whether \lambda is treated as a "soft" blank and seeking clarification on the notation used for length, denoted by \parallel \parallel. Some participants attempt to reason through the problem by counting symbols, while others express frustration over the lack of clarity in the problem statement.

Discussion Status

There is a mix of attempts to clarify definitions and compute lengths, with some participants suggesting that the problem may be straightforward while others remain uncertain. Guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of symbols, but no consensus has been reached on the overall understanding of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the ambiguity in the definitions provided, particularly regarding the nature of \lambda and the implications of treating \beta as a blank. There is also mention of a deadline for the assignment, adding pressure to the discussion.

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Let [tex]\Sigma[/tex] = {[tex]\beta[/tex],x,y,z} where [tex]\beta[/tex] denotes a blank, so x[tex]\beta \neq[/tex] x, [tex]\beta \beta \neq \beta[/tex], and x[tex]\beta[/tex]y [tex]\neq[/tex] xy but x [tex]\lambda[/tex]y = xy.

Compute each of the following:

1: [tex]\parallel \lambda \parallel[/tex]
2: [tex]\parallel \lambda \lambda \parallel[/tex]
3: [tex]\parallel \beta \parallel[/tex]
4: [tex]\parallel \beta \beta \parallel[/tex]
5: [tex]\parallel \beta[/tex]3 [tex]\parallel[/tex]
6: [tex]\parallel[/tex] x [tex]\beta \beta[/tex] x [tex]\parallel[/tex]
7: [tex]\parallel \beta \lambda \parallel[/tex]
8: [tex]\parallel \lambda[/tex] 10 [tex]\parallel[/tex]

Uhm.. can someone help me out ? :cry: I've tried like 3 days now (without progress).
 
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What have you done so far?
 
Tom Mattson said:
What have you done so far?

Well.. the problem is that I'm totally stuck. I have no idea what to do.. I've red the chapter over and over, checked several math websites, forum and so on.. :cry:

It seems to me that people find it difficult to solve this no matter math skills :rolleyes:

So if you don't want to help me (the assigment was handed in today).. that's ok. I can go on not understanding this.. :smile:
 
I'm surprised that nobody can solve this ...
 
You haven't given a whole lot of information! You said [itex]\beta[/itex] represents a blank (I guess we might call that a "hard" blank) so really is treated just as another symbol. But what is [itex]\lambda[/itex]? The only thing you tell us about that is "but x[itex]\lambda[/itex]y= xy". So [itex]\lambda[/itex] is a "soft" blank- like nothing? Is [itex]\beta^3[/itex] the same as [itex]\beta\beta\beta[/itex]? And what, exactly is the definition of [itex]\parallel \parallel[/itex]? It would guess it is the length of the string but it would be a good idea to say that explicitely.
 
HallsofIvy said:
You haven't given a whole lot of information! You said [itex]\beta[/itex] represents a blank (I guess we might call that a "hard" blank) so really is treated just as another symbol. But what is [itex]\lambda[/itex]? The only thing you tell us about that is "but x[itex]\lambda[/itex]y= xy". So [itex]\lambda[/itex] is a "soft" blank- like nothing? Is [itex]\beta^3[/itex] the same as [itex]\beta\beta\beta[/itex]? And what, exactly is the definition of [itex]\parallel \parallel[/itex]? It would guess it is the length of the string but it would be a good idea to say that explicitely.

[tex]\lambda[/tex] is according to definition a empty string - that is, the string consisting of no symbols taken from [tex]\Sigma[/tex].

[tex]\{ \lambda \} \neq \emptyset[/tex] because [tex]| \{ \lambda \} | =[/tex] 1 [tex]\neq[/tex] 0 [tex]= | \emptyset |[/tex].

[tex]\parallel[/tex] w [tex]\parallel[/itex] = the length of w, and [tex]\parallel \lambda \parallel[/tex] = 0. [tex]\parallel \beta \parallel[/tex] = 1. ... <br /> <br /> Sorry for the lack of information.. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":frown:" title="Frown :frown:" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":frown:" />[/tex]
 
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Some of them are obvious...
 
Indeed all of them are obvious. It's just counting!
1.[tex]\parallel \lambda \parallel= 0[/tex]

2.[tex]\parallel \lambda \lambda\parallel= 0[/tex]

3.[tex]\parallel \beta \parallel= 1[/tex]

4.[tex]\parallel \beta^3= 3[/tex]

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8. [tex]\parallel \lambda^{10}= 0[/tex]
 
HallsofIvy said:
Indeed all of them are obvious. It's just counting!
1.[tex]\parallel \lambda \parallel= 0[/tex]

2.[tex]\parallel \lambda \lambda\parallel= 0[/tex]

3.[tex]\parallel \beta \parallel= 1[/tex]

4.[tex]\parallel \beta^3= 3[/tex]

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8. [tex]\parallel \lambda^{10}= 0[/tex]

So.. nr 6 is like.. 4, right?
 
  • #10
Yes, that is correct- just count the number of symbols in the string.
 
  • #11
aight, thanks for the help dude
 

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