What are the values of ##x## for which the series (ln n)^x converges?

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In summary, the conversation discussed the convergence of a series and compared it to the harmonic series. It was concluded that the given series is always divergent and is larger than the harmonic series for every term. Different methods were used to come to this conclusion, but both led to the same result. The series was also compared to a more complicated solution, but it was deemed unnecessary.
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Find the values of ##x## for which the following series is convergent.
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I compared the series with the harmonic series and deduced it is always divergent. I used ##y^p<e^y## for large ##y##. I used a different method from the answer given, which I don't understand.

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When ##k=1##, ##M_1=e=2.72## and ##M_0=1##. Since ##M_0+1\leq n\leq M_1##, we have ##n=2##, giving us the term ##\frac{1}{1^X}##.

When ##k=2##, ##M_2=e^2=7.39## and ##M_1=e=2.72##. Since ##M_1+1\leq n\leq M_2##, we have ##n=4, 5, 6, 7##, giving us the terms ##\frac{1}{2^X}+\frac{1}{2^X}+\frac{1}{2^X}+\frac{1}{2^X}##.

Finding the possible values of ##n## is troublesome.

Is there a typo in the given answer?
 
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You get of the order of e terms of 1/1X, e2 terms of 1/2X, e3 terms of 1/3X and so on (up to the constant prefactor). Following the same logic as your approximation, ##\displaystyle \frac{e^n}{n^X}## grows to infinity instead of going to zero.
 
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You get of the order of e terms of 1/1X, e2 terms of 1/2X, e3 terms of 1/3X and so on (up to the constant prefactor). Following the same logic as your approximation, ##\displaystyle \frac{e^n}{n^X}## grows to infinity instead of going to zero.

Why is the series in the question and the series in the answer equivalent?

Their first terms are clearly different. The former's is ##\frac{1}{(\ln 2)^X}## while the latter's is ##\frac{1}{1^X}##.

If they are not equivalent, how do we show that the former is always bigger than the latter for every term?
 
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The first fraction is always larger than the second by construction of the Mk. So your series is larger than a divergent series.
 
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The first fraction is always larger than the second by construction of the Mk. So your series is larger than a divergent series.

Could you explain how? I don't see it.
 
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ln(2) < 1
ln(3) < 2, ln(4) < 2, ln(5) < 2, ln(6) < 2, ln(7) < 2

Therefore 1/ln(2)X > 1/1X and so on for positive X.
 
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The given answer is so complicated vs if we just compare the series with the harmonic series.
 
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The given answer is so complicated vs if we just compare the series with the harmonic series.
How do you do that for x=-3?
 
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How do you do that for x=-3?

Let ##y=\ln n##. For large ##n, y^3<e^y##. So ##(\ln n)^3<n##. Then ##\frac{1}{(\ln n)^3}>\frac{1}{n}##. The series is bigger than the harmonic series for every term. Hence it is also divergent.
 
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Ah right, that works as well, and it is easier.
 

1. What is the definition of "Convergence of (ln n)^x"?

The convergence of (ln n)^x refers to the limit of the function (ln n)^x as n approaches infinity. In simpler terms, it describes the behavior of the function as the input value n gets larger and larger.

2. How do you determine if (ln n)^x converges?

To determine if (ln n)^x converges, you need to take the limit of the function as n approaches infinity. If the limit exists and is a finite number, then the function converges. If the limit does not exist or is infinite, then the function does not converge.

3. What is the general rule for determining the convergence of (ln n)^x?

The general rule for determining the convergence of (ln n)^x is to first take the natural logarithm of the function, then apply the power rule to bring the exponent x down as a coefficient. Next, take the limit as n approaches infinity. If the limit is a finite number, then the function converges. If the limit is infinite, then the function does not converge.

4. Can (ln n)^x converge to a negative number?

No, (ln n)^x cannot converge to a negative number. This is because the natural logarithm of any positive number is always a positive number. Additionally, taking any positive number to a power will also result in a positive number. Therefore, the convergence of (ln n)^x will always be a positive number or infinity.

5. What is the significance of the convergence of (ln n)^x in mathematics?

The convergence of (ln n)^x is significant in mathematics as it is a fundamental concept in calculus and real analysis. It allows for the study of the behavior of functions as the input value gets larger and larger, which is essential in many areas of mathematics and science. It also has many applications in fields such as physics, engineering, and economics.

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