What are the values of ##x## for which the series (ln n)^x converges?

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The discussion revolves around determining the values of ##x## for which the series \((\ln n)^x\) converges. Participants explore various methods of comparison, particularly with the harmonic series, and examine the implications of their findings on convergence and divergence.

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  • One participant suggests that the series is always divergent by comparing it to the harmonic series and using the inequality \(y^p < e^y\) for large \(y\).
  • Another participant questions the equivalence of the series in the question and a referenced series, noting that their first terms differ and seeks clarification on how to demonstrate that one series is consistently larger than the other.
  • Some participants argue that the series is larger than a divergent series based on the construction of terms, but others express confusion about the reasoning behind this claim.
  • A participant provides a specific case for \(x = -3\), using the substitution \(y = \ln n\) to show that the series diverges by comparing it to the harmonic series.
  • There is a mention of the complexity of the given answer compared to a simpler comparison with the harmonic series.

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Participants express differing views on the convergence of the series, with some asserting it is divergent while others question the methods used for comparison. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the equivalence of the series and the validity of the approaches taken.

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Some participants highlight the challenges in finding the possible values of \(n\) and the complexity of the given answer compared to simpler methods. There are also unresolved questions about the assumptions underlying the comparisons made.

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Find the values of ##x## for which the following series is convergent.
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I compared the series with the harmonic series and deduced it is always divergent. I used ##y^p<e^y## for large ##y##. I used a different method from the answer given, which I don't understand.

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When ##k=1##, ##M_1=e=2.72## and ##M_0=1##. Since ##M_0+1\leq n\leq M_1##, we have ##n=2##, giving us the term ##\frac{1}{1^X}##.

When ##k=2##, ##M_2=e^2=7.39## and ##M_1=e=2.72##. Since ##M_1+1\leq n\leq M_2##, we have ##n=4, 5, 6, 7##, giving us the terms ##\frac{1}{2^X}+\frac{1}{2^X}+\frac{1}{2^X}+\frac{1}{2^X}##.

Finding the possible values of ##n## is troublesome.

Is there a typo in the given answer?
 
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You get of the order of e terms of 1/1X, e2 terms of 1/2X, e3 terms of 1/3X and so on (up to the constant prefactor). Following the same logic as your approximation, ##\displaystyle \frac{e^n}{n^X}## grows to infinity instead of going to zero.
 
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mfb said:
You get of the order of e terms of 1/1X, e2 terms of 1/2X, e3 terms of 1/3X and so on (up to the constant prefactor). Following the same logic as your approximation, ##\displaystyle \frac{e^n}{n^X}## grows to infinity instead of going to zero.

Why is the series in the question and the series in the answer equivalent?

Their first terms are clearly different. The former's is ##\frac{1}{(\ln 2)^X}## while the latter's is ##\frac{1}{1^X}##.

If they are not equivalent, how do we show that the former is always bigger than the latter for every term?
 
The first fraction is always larger than the second by construction of the Mk. So your series is larger than a divergent series.
 
mfb said:
The first fraction is always larger than the second by construction of the Mk. So your series is larger than a divergent series.

Could you explain how? I don't see it.
 
ln(2) < 1
ln(3) < 2, ln(4) < 2, ln(5) < 2, ln(6) < 2, ln(7) < 2

Therefore 1/ln(2)X > 1/1X and so on for positive X.
 
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The given answer is so complicated vs if we just compare the series with the harmonic series.
 
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The given answer is so complicated vs if we just compare the series with the harmonic series.
How do you do that for x=-3?
 
mfb said:
How do you do that for x=-3?

Let ##y=\ln n##. For large ##n, y^3<e^y##. So ##(\ln n)^3<n##. Then ##\frac{1}{(\ln n)^3}>\frac{1}{n}##. The series is bigger than the harmonic series for every term. Hence it is also divergent.
 
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Ah right, that works as well, and it is easier.
 

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