What Can You See When You Look at a Mirror Under a Microscope?

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The discussion revolves around what can be observed when a mirror is viewed under a high magnification optical microscope. Participants explore the types of mirrors, their reflective properties, and the implications for what might be seen through the microscope.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the type of mirror (household vs. front surface) significantly influences what can be seen under a microscope, with different reflective properties and potential surface defects being highlighted.
  • One participant notes that with a front surface mirror, surface defects like scratches may be visible, while the view through a household mirror would depend on the focus set within the glass thickness.
  • Another participant posits that the defects in the glass would be seen before anything else, particularly when using methods like sputtering or vacuum deposition for mirror coatings.
  • Some participants humorously suggest that one might see their own eye when looking into the microscope, although this claim is met with skepticism regarding the optical setup of the microscope.
  • A later reply clarifies that the illumination arm of the microscope differs from the observer arm, suggesting that one would not see their eye due to the nature of specular reflection dominating over diffuse reflection.
  • One participant shares their experience of seeing their eye using a powerful magnifying glass, indicating a personal attempt at the thought experiment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on what can be observed, with some agreeing that reflections and defects are key aspects, while others challenge the idea of seeing one's eye, leading to an unresolved discussion on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various types of mirrors and their properties, but there is no consensus on the specific observations possible under a microscope, highlighting the complexity of the optical interactions involved.

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If a piece of mirror is observed under a high magnification optical microscope, then what would one see??
 
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rkatcosmos said:
If a piece of mirror is observed under a high magnification optical microscope, then what would one see??

rkatcosmos, Welcome to Physics Forums!

Good question! My answer is: “It depends on what kind of mirror you are looking at.” There are two major types of mirrors. First is the common household mirror where the rear surface is reflective and the substrate is transparent; often it is glass. What you see with a high power microscope would depend on where your focus was set: beginning at the front surface of the transparent glass one could selectively move the focus down through the glass thickness all the way to the rear reflective surface.

The second type of mirror is the front surface mirror where the reflective coating is on the first (front) surface. On this type of mirror you may expect to see surface defects like scratches or imperfections in the coatings. Also, what you see would depend on the type of mirror you are examining. There are many types of first surface mirrors. For instance, here is a selection of one supplier of mirrors, Edmund Optics:

“Specialty mirrors: 15 types
Laser mirrors: 10 types
Infrared Mirrors: 10 types
Focusing mirrors: 12 types
Flat mirrors: 22 types”
http://www.edmundoptics.com/optics/optical-mirrors/
 
Most reflective surfaces are ether sputtering or Vacuum deposition.
Ether with a front surface or a back surface mirror, I think you will
see the defects in the glass before anything else.
The molecules of material from ether method are too small to see
with an optical microscope.
 
I think you will seee your eye !

Try it... it is easy enough
 
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technician said:
I think you will seee your eye !

Try it... it is easy enough

Oh, technician! Interesting thought you've had! Have you done it yourself? Why not share your results with all of us here?
 
You will not see your eye because the illumination arm of the microscope is different to the "observer" arm.

You actually see the conjugate focal plane in the illumination arm of the microscope.

I doubt you would see the surface of the mirror as the specular reflection will be much greater than the diffuse reflection (or scatter) off the mirror surface itself.

This thought experiment is a good demonstration as to why quality optical microscopes have the source in the Fourier plane; basically so you don't image the source (a bulb filament, say) on top of the regular image. Look up Kohler illumination for more info.

Claude.
 
I have to admit that all I tried was a powerful magnifying glass and yes...I saw my eye.
Have not tried a microscope...yet.
 

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