What causes disturbance on my phone camera?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the phenomenon of visual disturbances appearing on a smartphone camera, described as resembling old television static. Participants explore potential causes, including dust particles and various forms of noise related to camera technology, particularly in low-light conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the disturbance may be due to dust particles or disruptions caused by subatomic waves/particles.
  • Another participant requests images to better understand the issue.
  • Several participants propose that the disturbances are likely simple noise resulting from the camera's sensor, particularly in low-light conditions.
  • It is noted that noise becomes more apparent in darker areas of an image due to lower signal levels.
  • A participant mentions that graininess can occur when the camera software amplifies the signal in low-light situations.
  • One participant shares a personal experience with a different smartphone camera exhibiting similar noise in low-light conditions.
  • Another participant elaborates on the nature of noise in sensors, attributing it to random fluctuations and thermal movement, and discusses the impact of sensor quality on image output.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the disturbances are likely due to noise in the camera sensor, particularly in low-light scenarios. However, there is no consensus on whether other factors, such as dust or subatomic effects, could also contribute to the issue.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the limitations of low-light photography and the variability in camera sensor quality, but these points remain unresolved in terms of their specific impact on the observed disturbances.

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Hi I have a cheap smart phone with a low quality camera when I go to take a picture there is what I would describe as like old television static appearing in front of the image as it appears on the phone screen (although what is beyond it can still be seen). I am wondering if this is just dust particles? or is it disruption in the light caused by subatomic waves/particles?

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Calconceptofnumber1 said:
Hi I have a cheap smart phone with a low quality camera when I go to take a picture there is what I would describe as like old television static appearing in front of the image as it appears on the phone screen (although what is beyond it can still be seen). I am wondering if this is just dust particles? or is it disruption in the light caused by subatomic waves/particles?

Cal
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Can you use the Upload button at the lower right to Upload JPEG images of a couple of your pictures showing this?
 
It can be seen on the walls in this picture, in particularly the part in the bottom left. But before the picture is taken then it appears to be moving all over the image at high speed.
 

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Can you take a few pictures in a row of a blank wall and post them?
 
Here you go :smile:.
 

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Looks like simple noise in the camera. The conversion between the amount of light hitting a sensor and getting a digital value of that is not perfect, and you get random deviations for each pixel each time you take an image.
 
I agree, it looks like it is just noise. Noise becomes more visible in darker regions because there is less signal to obscure it and because the gain is higher.
 
Calconceptofnumber1 said:
It can be seen on the walls in this picture, in particularly the part in the bottom left. But before the picture is taken then it appears to be moving all over the image at high speed.
That just looks like a grainy low-light photo. It happens when the camera uses software to amplify the signal, increasing the noise. Does that happen when there is more light?
 
Calconceptofnumber1 said:
Hi I have a cheap smart phone with a low quality camera
My cheap smartphone with a decent camera did the same thing yesterday in low light. Normally the thing takes excellent pictures but the low light makes it grainy.
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mfb said:
Looks like simple noise in the camera.

totally agree ...

noise due to the lack of light to produce a decent image
 
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All sensors, including optical, sound and radio frequency detectors, are subject to random fluctuation. It can either be due to random thermal movement of air molecules or to the effects of temperature on the random way electrons move through conductors and semiconductors. The level of that 'Noise' depends on the temperature. It is the Signal to Noise ratio that determines how good the final image or played back sound is.
The sensors in modern top end camera phones are extremely good and also the lenses are probably bigger, to gather more light so many of the pictures that, for instance, my iPhone produces look extremely good. However, if you try to display the image on a full monitor screen, then the imperfections (including the noise) start to show. There's always a better one available the following year - if you happen to have hundreds of pounds every year! It's questionable whetnher it's worth while though. :smile:
 
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