What causes the angular fringes in laser light pictures?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of angular fringes observed in laser light pictures, specifically addressing the causes of red specks and patterns seen in a particular image. Participants explore various theoretical and observational aspects related to optics, diffraction, and camera effects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the red specks may be due to dust on the camera lens but questions why some specks appear in focus despite the camera being focused at a distance.
  • Another participant notes they have not encountered such patterns before, speculating whether the image was taken with a digital or film camera and initially considering a planetarium effect.
  • One participant proposes that the observed pattern is a diffraction pattern of the laser combined with reflections and interference from the camera's multiple lenses.
  • A different participant identifies the pattern around the laser source as “laser speckle” but expresses uncertainty about the bright splotches on the side.
  • Another participant speculates that the bright splotches could be due to internal reflections of laser light within the camera system.
  • A participant with experience in lasers mentions that speckles are naturally visible to the naked eye when aligned with the laser light.
  • One participant raises the possibility that the radial peaks resemble etalon fringes, suggesting that high f-stop settings on the camera could cause light to diffract at discrete angles.
  • Another participant reiterates the etalon fringe idea and compares the diffraction effect to Newton's rings, noting that coherent laser light could produce significant path differences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of hypotheses regarding the causes of the angular fringes and red specks, with no consensus reached on the definitive explanation. Multiple competing views remain, and several points are presented as speculation.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on assumptions about camera settings and optical behavior, and there are unresolved questions regarding the specific nature of the bright splotches and their origins.

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I was reading the wikipedia page on laser light, and on a linked article, I saw this image:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ance_Battalion_in_"Commando"_Training_(2).jpg

What is causing those red specks to appear? I'm thinking it's the dust on the out side of the camera lens, but then why would some of the specks seem to be so in-focus? While the camera is focusing quite a few meters away.
 
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I've never seen anything like that before. Usually, there's just a lens flare. Do you know whether it was a digital or film camera? Given the shape of those spots, I actually thought initially that it was the result of a planetarium galaxy display superimposed upon the original photo.
 
I think it's just the diffraction pattern of the laser combined with a reflection and interference effect from the multiple lenses of the camera.
 
Bobbywhy said:
As for the bright splotches off to the right-hand side, I’ve no idea.

I'm guessing it's internal reflections or something like that. IE laser light reflecting off the sensor, then off the glass and back onto the sensor.
 
The speckles are naturally visible you don't need any lenses or other optical devices
you eyes will see them quite happily.
If you get close into line with the laser light ( but not directly...for eye safety reasons) you will easily see the speckle pattern surrounding the main bright core of the beam.
I work with lasers and see this on a daily basis

Dave
 
The radial peaks look suspiciously like etalon fringes, maybe inside the retina or inside/between the camera lenses. Perhaps the angular fringes happen as a result of the camera set at a very high f-stop- at this setting, the aperture (being made of overlapping blades) becomes less like a circle and more like a polygon, which causes the light to diffract along many discrete angles.

^^ all that is speculation
 
MikeyW said:
The radial peaks look suspiciously like etalon fringes, maybe inside the retina or inside/between the camera lenses. Perhaps the angular fringes happen as a result of the camera set at a very high f-stop- at this setting, the aperture (being made of overlapping blades) becomes less like a circle and more like a polygon, which causes the light to diffract along many discrete angles.

^^ all that is speculation

I think you're right. A bit like Newton's rings but, with more coherent light (laser), the same sort of diffraction effect can occur with much bigger path differences.
 

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